Pets For Dinner
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Thanks for those links to Nomani's reporting, LD. Interesting stuff.
This is a story of unchecked greed and cruelty, committed not by the immigrants, but to the immigrants, with local residents of Springfield also a casualty.
Once they arrived in Springfield, the migrants were packed into dilapidated houses owned by one of Ten’s many companies. I have mapped 45 such properties around town, including at least three homes that were purchased on the same day, Sept. 10, 2020, for $20,000, $28,000 and $32,000. These homes are overcrowded, often shared in shifts among the migrants, some of whom had no stable place to stay and carried all their belongings in backpacks.
In the morning, drivers in the white vans would pick up the men at their homes or at the First Diversity offices at the E. High Street mansion, painted a muted tan, and deposit them at the far end of town in the distribution center, where companies like Dole Foods hired them at cheap rates.
One Haitian man I interviewed asked to be anonymous for fear of retaliation and recalled how he was picked up by a driver for one of Ten’s vans on a street corner near a Winn-Dixie grocery store in Immokalee, Florida. After the long journey to Springfield, he was dropped off at a rundown home on Rice Street, infested with cockroaches. He soon found work through First Diversity at Jefferson Industries Corporation, earning $12.50 an hour; he didn’t know how much George skimmed off his wages. The home he lived in had no working heat, and he bought an electric heater to survive the cold Ohio winter, the heater barely heating his room.
To connect this back to other reporting, I would love to know the histories, living situations, and employment logistics of the workers for that metal shop where the owner is so happy with his Haitian workforce, as compared to the locals.
But it's probably important to be aware that these workers are happy for these opportunities just the same, even if this reporting wants us to feel like they are being taken advantage of. I'm not sure what is supposed to happen to make their lives even better. More tax dollars would seem like a necessary part of whatever we would do to give asylum seekers better lives than this.
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So what happens to the Charleroi and Springfield factories that have spent the last month calling the local workforce worthless and drug addled when the Temporary Protected Status is lifted? I mean, that’s what temporary means, right? So what happens when their cheap labor force leaves?
@LuFins-Dad said in Pets For Dinner:
So what happens to the Charleroi and Springfield factories that have spent the last month calling the local workforce worthless and drug addled when the Temporary Protected Status is lifted? I mean, that’s what temporary means, right? So what happens when their cheap labor force leaves?
I can't speak to Charleroi, but I can tell you for certain that the Springfield employers will go back to the local drug addled workers. Springfield has been a depressed economy since the early 70's when we moved there. Jobs - any jobs - were hard to find and paid bare minimum with high work expectations from the
massasmanagers. That has only gotten worse over the years and then crack and meth hit. I suspect now opiates have been added to the mix. The entire south half of town is a war zone. Guess where the Haitians live. It may not be textbook slavery, but it's damn close. -
Though the Trump comment had legs. We're still talking about Springfield 20 days down the line.
Wonder if the situation in Springfield actually penetrated the national conscience?
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Though the Trump comment had legs. We're still talking about Springfield 20 days down the line.
Wonder if the situation in Springfield actually penetrated the national conscience?
@Jolly said in Pets For Dinner:
Wonder if the situation in Springfield actually penetrated the national conscience?
The lion's share of public attention continues to be devoted to laughing at how dumb the Magats are to believe the pet eating stories. Added to this mix is performative concern for how the Haitians are being hated now due to those racist memes.
But alongside all that, one would hope is more attention to the actual issues involved here, which seem pretty complicated.
If the reporting LD linked to gets widely discussed, it will turn into an anti-capitalism talking point, even if that's not the intention of the reporter.
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All I know is putting Haitians in slavelike conditions has NEVER turned out well.
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That metal shop owner might end up being branded as a modern slave holder. That would be a shame.
When he was making those remarks about how awesome his Haitian workers were, he probably felt confident that he was self-identifying as an inclusive, progressive person.
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Gosh darn
Haitianswhite US males!!!!A 64-year-old white man in Springfield, Ohio, was accused of illegally hunting geese at a golf course pond
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Gosh darn
Haitianswhite US males!!!!A 64-year-old white man in Springfield, Ohio, was accused of illegally hunting geese at a golf course pond
@taiwan_girl said in Pets For Dinner:
Gosh darn
Haitianswhite US males!!!!A 64-year-old white man in Springfield, Ohio, was accused of illegally hunting geese at a golf course pond
Canada Geese are flying rats.
Though killing them is illegal, I celebrate the demise of every single one.
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Gosh darn
Haitianswhite US males!!!!A 64-year-old white man in Springfield, Ohio, was accused of illegally hunting geese at a golf course pond
@taiwan_girl said in Pets For Dinner:
Gosh darn
Haitianswhite US males!!!!A 64-year-old white man in Springfield, Ohio, was accused of illegally hunting geese at a golf course pond
And you don’t see the problem with it, do you?
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Let me give you a hint, the Haitians with geese/ducks HAS been documented and not really cared about, even though it is illegal.
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I know someone, I dare not name who that is, who had a Canada Geese problem at his vacation home in a nearby state. They shit all over the pool deck, intimidated his 4 daughters and were aggressive about anyone walking on their turf.
Said person, and I am implicating no one, purchased a CO2 powered BB gun to ... discourage the geese from nesting and hanging out around his pool. Though none of the geese were injured, the "plonk" of a BB hitting one of the flying rats was a strong disincentive for them to move to a different location.
Not naming names...
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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The guy was absolutely correct to be arrested and charged. The problem is that the migrants (and yes, they are doing this) aren’t. They aren’t being charged for driving cars with no or expired tags. No safety inspections. They aren’t being charged for public drunkenness unless it’s egregious, or smaller scale fights, or any of a large number of misdemeanors.
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They aren’t being charged for driving cars with no or expired tags. No safety inspections. They aren’t being charged for public drunkenness unless it’s egregious, or smaller scale fights, or any of a large number of misdemeanors.
In the US would not all of those infractions listed fall under State level enforcement and jurisdiction? If that’s the case the problem lies with the State Administration not Federal authorities.
Other than fisticuffs involving assault and battery charges all what you have listed here come under the purview of provincial statutes. In the case of the geese and ducks being harvested though additional federal charges might be applied under the Migratory Birds Act. In any event all the items would be enforced and prosecuted under provincial authority.
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They aren’t being charged for driving cars with no or expired tags. No safety inspections. They aren’t being charged for public drunkenness unless it’s egregious, or smaller scale fights, or any of a large number of misdemeanors.
In the US would not all of those infractions listed fall under State level enforcement and jurisdiction? If that’s the case the problem lies with the State Administration not Federal authorities.
Other than fisticuffs involving assault and battery charges all what you have listed here come under the purview of provincial statutes. In the case of the geese and ducks being harvested though additional federal charges might be applied under the Migratory Birds Act. In any event all the items would be enforced and prosecuted under provincial authority.
@Renauda said in Pets For Dinner:
They aren’t being charged for driving cars with no or expired tags. No safety inspections. They aren’t being charged for public drunkenness unless it’s egregious, or smaller scale fights, or any of a large number of misdemeanors.
In the US would not all of those infractions listed fall under State level enforcement and jurisdiction? If that’s the case the problem lies with the State Administration not Federal authorities.
Other than fisticuffs involving assault and battery charges all what you have listed here come under the purview of provincial statutes. In the case of the geese and ducks being harvested though additional federal charges might be applied under the Migratory Birds Act. In any event all the items would be enforced and prosecuted under provincial authority.
Yep. Dollars spent go further on a local level.
Ongoing conversation with an old HS friend that’s a cop in Charleroi. Word from his bosses is that they don’t want migrants getting arrested for petty crap. It’s couched under a veneer of being compassionate and understanding of cultural differences, yada yada yada… But what’s generally understood is that 2 misdemeanors gets your TPS status revoked. According to him, if the guys on the street were allowed to do their jobs and they started policing these guys, and the Commonwealth’s Attorney actually prosecuted, that the entire migrant community would lose their TPS status. If that happens, all kinds of hell breaks loose. The chances that ICE comes in to remove these guys after their convictions are 0. So now you have 2000 people that don’t have legal status there and they truly are illegal. Living there illegally leads to worse crimes being committed and things go downhill fast.
On top of that, you would have groups like CASA and such coming after the police in the courtroom crying racism and inequitable enforcement of the law. Even if the Department wins in the courts, they still lose. The borough doesn’t have the type of money to defend itself from the avalanche of special interest groups. Plus, Wellington has most of the town officials in their pocket to avoid inspection of the habitats they are renting out as well as their general business practices.
It’s a real fucking mess. At the same time, the small police force is pissed that they can’t do their jobs. Pissed cops means trouble for somebody, and since they have to ignore the petty crimes in the migrant community, they take it out on the others.
A migrant’s car can be driving without a license plate and nothing happens. But that officer sees your inspection is past due? No chance that you just get a warning… It’s just making the situation worse.
The Brad
