No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals
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@Jolly said in No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals:
I think you know the answer to your question.
If you don’t think the constitution doesn’t apply to them than it would follow that such laws would be constitutional. I just wanted to see if you’d say it out loud.
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@Jolly said in No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals:
Note that the court made a distinction between legal and illegal aliens.
Personally, I think an illegal alien does not have any rights under the Constitution.
Can they be enslaved?
Can they be imprisoned indefinitely without charges or access to a lawyer?
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@jon-nyc said in No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals:
Can they be enslaved?
I thought that was the whole point.
@Copper said in No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals:
@jon-nyc said in No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals:
Can they be enslaved?
I thought that was the whole point.
That was his point, as Jon goes for the "gotcha".
IMO, the Constitution and Bill of Rights apply to citizens and legal immigrants. It does not apply to people in the country illegally. Now, Jon will cite precedent, but I think much of that precedent is wrong, especially since much of it was generated when the U.S. did not have millions pouring across the border. Illegal aliens are subject to immigration courts and as such, the Executive has more power in those courts than in the regular court system.
Which brings up another interesting point...The Constitution's 13th Amendment still allows for involuntary servitude or slavery as punishment for a crime. So yes, since illegals are criminals we can send them to the cane fields against their will.
So, there is the answer that Jon knew when he asked the question.
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@Copper said in No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals:
@jon-nyc said in No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals:
Can they be enslaved?
I thought that was the whole point.
That was his point, as Jon goes for the "gotcha".
IMO, the Constitution and Bill of Rights apply to citizens and legal immigrants. It does not apply to people in the country illegally. Now, Jon will cite precedent, but I think much of that precedent is wrong, especially since much of it was generated when the U.S. did not have millions pouring across the border. Illegal aliens are subject to immigration courts and as such, the Executive has more power in those courts than in the regular court system.
Which brings up another interesting point...The Constitution's 13th Amendment still allows for involuntary servitude or slavery as punishment for a crime. So yes, since illegals are criminals we can send them to the cane fields against their will.
So, there is the answer that Jon knew when he asked the question.
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@Jolly wrote:
The Constitution's 13th Amendment still allows for involuntary servitude or slavery as punishment for a crime.
Couple that with "show me the man, and I will show you the crime" and anyone can be enslaved.
@Axtremus said in No 2nd Amendment Right for Illegals:
@Jolly wrote:
The Constitution's 13th Amendment still allows for involuntary servitude or slavery as punishment for a crime.
Couple that with "show me the man, and I will show you the crime" and anyone can be enslaved.
If you want to go there. Which is a nice reason for a fair justice system.
