Question for the Democrats here
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Party platform documents haven’t been relevant for decades.
The reason to vote heavily for Biden is a last ditch effort to save the Republican Party.
You were warned.
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jon can you expand on your notion that four more years would do existential damage to the Republican party that the previous four years hadn't done?
@Horace said in Question for the Democrats here:
jon can you expand on your notion that four more years would do existential damage to the Republican party that the previous four years hadn't done?
I second a further explanation. Not because I don't get it, just want to hear jon's explanation.
And my question is: what to do with the Democratic party?
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Party platform documents haven’t been relevant for decades.
The reason to vote heavily for Biden is a last ditch effort to save the Republican Party.
@jon-nyc said in Question for the Democrats here:
Party platform documents haven’t been relevant for decades.
The reason to vote heavily for Biden is a last ditch effort to save the Republican Party.
Which is why I gave Ax the answer I did on platforms. However...It seems as if current legislation and public actions by Dems do support those platform statements, So Aqua's question is pertinent.
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Obviously the idea would be for them to be forced to rethink Trumpism and repudiate it. As for 'what's wrong with Trumpism' we've been discussing that for 4 years and no doubt will continue to do so.
AL - I can certainly see a time when the Dems put up a true believer in a post-liberal society and we need to do the same to them. That could even happen in 2024. All the more reason we need to restore sanity to the GOP as a counterpoint. In the mean time Biden is the candidate, regardless of how much Trump is pretending it's AOC or Sanders.
FWIW I'm not optimistic about either project. I view the rise of social media as a Gutenberg-level destabilizing force that could take a generation or two to find some new equilibrium and will likely take many or most of our institutions down before it does so.
Buy some bitcoin and/or gold and do your part to stave it off as long as possible. -
Obviously the idea would be for them to be forced to rethink Trumpism and repudiate it. As for 'what's wrong with Trumpism' we've been discussing that for 4 years and no doubt will continue to do so.
AL - I can certainly see a time when the Dems put up a true believer in a post-liberal society and we need to do the same to them. That could even happen in 2024. All the more reason we need to restore sanity to the GOP as a counterpoint. In the mean time Biden is the candidate, regardless of how much Trump is pretending it's AOC or Sanders.
FWIW I'm not optimistic about either project. I view the rise of social media as a Gutenberg-level destabilizing force that could take a generation or two to find some new equilibrium and will likely take many or most of our institutions down before it does so.
Buy some bitcoin and/or gold and do your part to stave it off as long as possible.@jon-nyc said in Question for the Democrats here:
Obviously the idea would be for them to be forced to rethink Trumpism and repudiate it. As for 'what's wrong with Trumpism' we've been discussing that for 4 years and no doubt will continue to do so.
Have we? I see it as a discussion about whether to focus on the policy ramifications of "Trumpism" while you happily participate in the effort to focus on what an evil clown he is personally, and so obviously duh he needs to be voted out I mean who could possibly think otherwise omg.
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We've done it a lot. Here's one little example:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/the_new_coffee_room/viewtopic.php?p=1491639#p1491639
Now that was just off the top of my head, given time I could and would come up with a larger list. And then you could tell me why all those are all good and/or don't affect people's bedtime routine or whatever.
Or I could go eat some lunch.
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Obviously the idea would be for them to be forced to rethink Trumpism and repudiate it. As for 'what's wrong with Trumpism' we've been discussing that for 4 years and no doubt will continue to do so.
@jon-nyc Okay, but do you think Trumpism is more of a threat than today's liberalism?
On the one hand, I really can't square that based on my overall experiences in my professional life in the past five years. We've already taken the first steps to make white males the new golchomag in this country. It's already happened. Sure we aren't stealing property or anything yet, but the first steps are already behind us. We've already decided that white male problems, whatever they are, are to be sneered at, and minorities are the ones to defend. I see that all the time at work. It's been like that for the past decade, and I've changed jobs a lot.
On the other hand, I'm open to the possibility that my personal experiences aren't representative. I can be convinced otherwise. But I have real fears about voting in a party whose members have made no bones about who they support and who they want to vilify. I don't see Biden standing up to that.
Trump on the other hand, while an anomaly, doesn't appear to be threatening my future to as great an extent. But like I said, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. I'm trying to set up a more accurate and complete comparison model.
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@jon-nyc So to be clear, you reject my characterization of your stance against Trumpism as having mostly to do with personal dislike, because your dislike is coincidental to what really matters, which is policy?
"Trumpism" is an interesting word because it presupposes there is a system there that must be defeated, rather than an individual man. But people who use that word are only interested in defeating the individual. The word itself is a head-fake.
Education is extremely important.
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Wikipedia has a Trumpism entry.
Ideology
Trumpism started its development predominately in Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign. It denotes a populist political method that suggests nationalistic answers to complex political, economic and social problems and is intended to mobilize the disenfranchised[citation needed] of the growing social inequality, with stated opposition to the established political establishment.[vague] Ideologically, it has a right-wing populist accent,[3] whereby Trump's political style also shows traits of authoritarianism.[4]if I had to guess, I'd guess that an idiot wrote that. My favorite turn of phrase was 'established political establishment'. I also appreciated the misuse of the word "whereby".
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Party platform documents haven’t been relevant for decades.
The reason to vote heavily for Biden is a last ditch effort to save the Republican Party.
@jon-nyc said in Question for the Democrats here:
Party platform documents haven’t been relevant for decades.
The reason to vote heavily for Biden is a last ditch effort to save the Republican Party.
The Republican party is in the best shape it's been in in years. You just want the Country Club republicans who whisper sweet nothings to conservatives and then crawl in bed with the democrats to be back in charge of the Republican party.
People can conjure up in their minds all kinds of "reasons" to justify something. But the only real reason to ever vote for Biden is A. You're a moron, or B. You are an enemy of the State. For that matter, that applies to voting for ANY democrat.
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@jon-nyc So to be clear, you reject my characterization of your stance against Trumpism as having mostly to do with personal dislike, because your dislike is coincidental to what really matters, which is policy?
"Trumpism" is an interesting word because it presupposes there is a system there that must be defeated, rather than an individual man. But people who use that word are only interested in defeating the individual. The word itself is a head-fake.
@Horace said in Question for the Democrats here:
@jon-nyc So to be clear, you reject my characterization of your stance against Trumpism as having mostly to do with personal dislike, because your dislike is coincidental to what really matters, which is policy?
"Trumpism" is an interesting word because it presupposes there is a system there that must be defeated, rather than an individual man. But people who use that word are only interested in defeating the individual. The word itself is a head-fake.
Yes. The Left can't function without labeling everything. Everything they do is designed to divide. Separate it out, put a label on it, stuff it into a box and then attack the label.
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Larry:
But the only real reason to ever vote for Biden is A. You're a moron, or B. You are an enemy of the State. For that matter, that applies to voting for ANY democrat.
Also Larry:
The Left can't function without labeling everything. Everything they do is designed to divide. Separate it out, put a label on it, stuff it into a box and then attack the label.
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I think the thing for the undecided voted to do, is ask themselves what the country would look like after four years of Biden. Or the more likely scenario of a years of Biden and three years of Harris.
Californication of the country would be the least harm that could happen...
So, what would the country look like after four more years of Trump?
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I think the thing for the undecided voted to do, is ask themselves what the country would look like after four years of Biden. Or the more likely scenario of a years of Biden and three years of Harris.
Californication of the country would be the least harm that could happen...
So, what would the country look like after four more years of Trump?
@Jolly said in Question for the Democrats here:
I think the thing for the undecided voted to do, is ask themselves what the country would look like after four years of Biden. Or the more likely scenario of a years of Biden and three years of Harris.
Californication of the country would be the least harm that could happen...
So, what would the country look like after four more years of Trump?
That's pretty much what I'm trying to map. But if my tentative position right now is, "at least under Trump it'll keep militant liberals from becoming much more emboldened, and prevent having what happened at Evergreen happen in more places," I want to make sure I'm not being a doofus about that. Because Trump's an a-hole and while I might admit to reality being more complicated than that, I'm not willing to believe that he isn't an a-hole. (Also doesn't discount Biden being one, too.)
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Somewhat related...so much for the colorblind society. All these DNC platform positions that are race-based is so...racist.
Look at how tens of millions whites are in poverty yet just because the color of their skin, in many cases they will not benefit from these DNC positions.
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Somewhat related...so much for the colorblind society. All these DNC platform positions that are race-based is so...racist.
Look at how tens of millions whites are in poverty yet just because the color of their skin, in many cases they will not benefit from these DNC positions.
@89th said in Question for the Democrats here:
Somewhat related...so much for the colorblind society. All these DNC platform positions that are race-based is so...racist.
Look at how tens of millions whites are in poverty yet just because the color of their skin, in many cases they will not benefit from these DNC positions.Yeah but we're waaaaaay past that, Jerry. I think we're no longer in a situation in which we can discuss this. I think we're in a situation in which your white maleness exempts you from being allowed to have any opinion, for or against, on these issues. In the eyes of a large part of the left, anyway. I think it's important to know what kind of opposition we're dealing with. We're very, very far from "ask not what your country can do for you."
