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It's Walz

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  • L LuFins Dad
    13 Aug 2024, 02:45

    @89th said in It's Walz:

    @Mik said in It's Walz:

    89th? Paging 89th....

    Just got back from a lake vacation with the family (vacation = just a trip where we relocate the bedtime routine with kids) so I haven't read this thread or most other threads but....

    Under Walz it seems we have a surplus (but also higher taxes), great schools, great parks, free school lunches for all kids, and one of the higher ranking states in most categories. So in my direct personal life, aside from the higher income taxes, he's done a great job. In terms of things that don't really impact me but I disagree with... his support for trans and abortion support and other liberal policies is not preferred.

    In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

    Economic growth has trailed the national average by damn near 50%

    Crime rates started spiking in Minnesota in 2019, before anybody ever heard of George Floyd, and continued to rise through 2021. It's come down some following 2021, but is still above the 2020 levels during the Floyd riots.

    It still might be a great place right now, but is it as good as it was before Walz took office?

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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 17:29 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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    @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

    In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

    Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

    I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

    I was only joking

    L 1 Reply Last reply 13 Aug 2024, 18:28
    • D Doctor Phibes
      13 Aug 2024, 17:29

      @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

      In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

      Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

      I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 18:28 last edited by
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      @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

      @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

      In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

      Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

      I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

      Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

      The Brad

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      • L LuFins Dad
        13 Aug 2024, 18:28

        @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

        @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

        In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

        Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

        I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

        Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 18:39 last edited by Doctor Phibes
        #148

        @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

        @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

        In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

        Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

        I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

        Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

        You're the one who brought up the state rankings for public schools, not me, and surely the point of the discussion is to make a direct comparison between similarly managed schools with different political affiliations. Comparing public schools in Massachusetts with private schools in Oklahoma wouldn't make much sense, since you're then comparing apples with rocky mountain oysters. You need one variable, which in this case is political party.

        I was only joking

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 18:40 last edited by LuFins Dad
          #149

          But let’s start with public schools…

          Oh look, Florida’s 1, Utah’s 2. I think those are safely on the Republican/Conservative Side. Mass and NJ are 3 & 4, solid blue. Colorado and Wisconsin are 5 & 6. They are purplish. I’ll give you Colorado and take Wisconsin. Wyoming (R) is 7 and Connecticut (B) is 8. NH and VA are 9 & 10. Purplish…

          So red gets the Gold and Silver, blue gets the Bronze and Runner Up. The rest is a mishmash.

          https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

          The Brad

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          • D Doctor Phibes
            13 Aug 2024, 18:39

            @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

            @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

            In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

            Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

            I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

            Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

            You're the one who brought up the state rankings for public schools, not me, and surely the point of the discussion is to make a direct comparison between similarly managed schools with different political affiliations. Comparing public schools in Massachusetts with private schools in Oklahoma wouldn't make much sense, since you're then comparing apples with rocky mountain oysters. You need one variable, which in this case is political party.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 18:43 last edited by
            #150

            @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

            @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

            @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

            In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

            Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

            I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

            Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

            You're the one who brought up the state rankings for public schools, not me, and surely the point of the discussion is to make a direct comparison between similarly managed schools with different political affiliations. Comparing public schools in Massachusetts with private schools in Oklahoma wouldn't make much sense, since you're then comparing apples with rocky mountain oysters. You need one variable, which in this case is political party.

            My point is not about the actual rankings, but the slippage during his term. If they were 48 when he took office and were 44 when he left, he’s doing better than going from 12-15. It’s about the direction, not the actual ranking.

            The Brad

            D 1 Reply Last reply 13 Aug 2024, 18:49
            • L LuFins Dad
              13 Aug 2024, 18:40

              But let’s start with public schools…

              Oh look, Florida’s 1, Utah’s 2. I think those are safely on the Republican/Conservative Side. Mass and NJ are 3 & 4, solid blue. Colorado and Wisconsin are 5 & 6. They are purplish. I’ll give you Colorado and take Wisconsin. Wyoming (R) is 7 and Connecticut (B) is 8. NH and VA are 9 & 10. Purplish…

              So red gets the Gold and Silver, blue gets the Bronze and Runner Up. The rest is a mishmash.

              https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 18:45 last edited by
              #151

              @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

              But let’s start with public schools…

              Oh look, Florida’s 1, Utah’s 2. I think those are safely on the Republican/Conservative Side. Mass and NJ are 3 & 4, solid blue. Colorado and Wisconsin are 5 & 6. They are purplish. I’ll give you Colorado and take Wisconsin. Wyoming (R) is 7 and Connecticut (B) is 8. NH and VA are 9 & 10. Purplish…

              So red gets the Gold and Silver, blue gets the Bronze and Runner Up. The rest is a mishmash.

              https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

              I think there may be some controversy regarding those numbers. If you look at the original map you posted, Florida didn't score nearly so well.

              I was only joking

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              • L LuFins Dad
                13 Aug 2024, 18:43

                @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

                Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

                I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

                Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

                You're the one who brought up the state rankings for public schools, not me, and surely the point of the discussion is to make a direct comparison between similarly managed schools with different political affiliations. Comparing public schools in Massachusetts with private schools in Oklahoma wouldn't make much sense, since you're then comparing apples with rocky mountain oysters. You need one variable, which in this case is political party.

                My point is not about the actual rankings, but the slippage during his term. If they were 48 when he took office and were 44 when he left, he’s doing better than going from 12-15. It’s about the direction, not the actual ranking.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 18:49 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #152

                @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                My point is not about the actual rankings, but the slippage during his term. If they were 48 when he took office and were 44 when he left, he’s doing better than going from 12-15. It’s about the direction, not the actual ranking.

                I know, it's election year. We're all looking for data to support our beliefs.

                Still, I'd rather send my kids to school in bluest of the blue Massachusetts, and what's more I put my money where my mouth is. We didn't move into considerably more affordable (although admittedly equally Democrat dominated) Rhode Island until after they both graduated from High School.

                All this being said, I don't actually think it's got much to do with politics if I'm honest. It's mostly about affluence.

                I was only joking

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 21:46 last edited by
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                  My high school was number 1 in the state, so all the others were losers.

                  It was the first Nixon administration, he defeated Hubert Humphrey.

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                  • C Copper
                    13 Aug 2024, 21:46

                    My high school was number 1 in the state, so all the others were losers.

                    It was the first Nixon administration, he defeated Hubert Humphrey.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 21:56 last edited by
                    #154

                    @Copper said in It's Walz:

                    My high school was number 1 in the state, so all the others were losers.

                    It was the first Nixon administration, he defeated Hubert Humphrey.

                    ...and that State was the only one to vote against him in the next election, which could be used to suggest that a good education does add some value.

                    I was only joking

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 13 Aug 2024, 22:00 last edited by
                      #155

                      George McGovern was a good man, a combat pilot flew a B24 in WWII.

                      Both parties had reasonably good, experienced and qualified candidates.

                      Although Mr. Nixon's goodness faded somewhat.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 18 Aug 2024, 01:22 last edited by
                        #156

                        Weird...

                        GVOgu3xaoAAFPDM.jpeg

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 18 Aug 2024, 03:40 last edited by
                          #157

                          You know, the guy is sixty.

                          Doesn't look a day over 75.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 18 Aug 2024, 09:07 last edited by
                            #158

                            Yeah he’s only six months older than Harris. Looks decades older.

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                            • J jon-nyc
                              18 Aug 2024, 09:07

                              Yeah he’s only six months older than Harris. Looks decades older.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 18 Aug 2024, 23:22 last edited by
                              #159

                              @jon-nyc said in It's Walz:

                              Yeah he’s only six months older than Harris. Looks decades older.

                              It's the PTSD he talked about.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 18 Aug 2024, 23:59 last edited by
                                #160

                                Iraq could be a dangerous and violent place...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • G George K
                                  18 Aug 2024, 01:22

                                  Weird...

                                  GVOgu3xaoAAFPDM.jpeg

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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on 19 Aug 2024, 00:54 last edited by
                                  #161

                                  @George-K said in It's Walz:

                                  Weird...

                                  GVOgu3xaoAAFPDM.jpeg

                                  Could be a freeze frame from a Saturday Night Fever dance scene.

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                                  • G George K
                                    13 Aug 2024, 11:34

                                    https://www.the-express.com/sport/american-football/145268/Tim-Walz-high-school-defensive-coordinator

                                    "I'm proud of that work because, look, I was the football coach," he said.

                                    No, Gov Walz. You were not THE coach. You were AN assistant coach.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 19 Aug 2024, 01:59 last edited by
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                                    @George-K said in It's Walz:

                                    https://www.the-express.com/sport/american-football/145268/Tim-Walz-high-school-defensive-coordinator

                                    "I'm proud of that work because, look, I was the football coach," he said.

                                    No, Gov Walz. You were not THE coach. You were AN assistant coach.

                                    Maybe she picked him because he reminds her of Joe.

                                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 17:12 last edited by
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                                      He never explicitly says we had IVF, but it's certainly implied.

                                      Uh, no Governor. You did NOT have children through IVF.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 17:13 last edited by
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                                        Update on the lies that Tim Walz has told:

                                        • Being an Afghan veteran
                                        • Being a command sgt major
                                        • Conceiving his children through IVF
                                        • Knowing his unit was being deployed
                                        • Carrying weapons into war
                                        • Being a head football coach
                                        • Lying about being deaf to get out of a DUI

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          89th
                                          wrote on 20 Aug 2024, 17:19 last edited by
                                          #165

                                          I'm just picking one and looking into it, where did Walz say he was a head football coach? He was a coach of a football team. Does this mean the rest of your list is made up? BTW don't forget Trump had over 30,000 documented lies between 2017-2021. That's a lot of bullet points.

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