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It's Walz

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  • 89th8 89th

    @George-K said in It's Walz:

    @Axtremus said in It's Walz:

    Maybe he means the war on poverty, or war on drugs, or war on illiteracy, or war on wokeness.
    Actually, I don’t know if he has been to those other wars either.

    Good point.

    It's possible, just possible, that he carried a weapon in those wars (though I doubt it for the last one in your list).

    Here's a fact checked summary of some of Walz's military statements btw:

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/08/12/walz-military-service/

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    @89th said in It's Walz:

    Here's a fact checked summary of some of Walz's military statements btw:

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/08/12/walz-military-service/


    Having served in the Guard for 24 years, Walz was free to retire when he did.

    Yes he was. He did nothing illegal or dishonorable, unless you want to call going over his direct superior's head to get an early retirement. His contract was 6 years, he served four.

    Walz has never claimed to have served in a combat role in war. Such allegations are based on a single misstatement and are undercut by his consistent transparency about not seeing combat in other interviews.

    That's true as well. However, when people spoke about him serving in Afghanistan (Ms. Pelosi), he did NOT correct her. He's willing to let the lie...lie.

    Walz served as a command sergeant major, but did not retire at that grade because he did not complete the required training. The Guard has said, on numerous occasions, that it is accurate for Walz to state that he has served at that rank.

    Few people know the difference. But, again, it's misleading. You can say you "served as a colonel" even though you were demoted to a lieutenant.

    It's not just these facts. It's a pattern, as evidenced by him saying he "coached" a football team. Yeah, he was A coach, but not THE coach. It gives a false impression. It's just oily and though not dishonest, is deceptive. This is not an accident or a misstatement.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      @George-K said in It's Walz:

      https://www.the-express.com/sport/american-football/145268/Tim-Walz-high-school-defensive-coordinator

      "I'm proud of that work because, look, I was the football coach," he said.

      No, Gov Walz. You were not THE coach. You were AN assistant coach.

      Well, thankfully he wasn't a couch as Vance would have fallen in love....

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      @kluurs said in It's Walz:

      Well, thankfully he wasn't a couch as Vance would have fallen in love....

      Good thing he wasn't in the Navy as a seaman, too!

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth". - Jesus

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth". - Jesus

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          @Jolly said in It's Walz:

          So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth".

          I thought we weren’t going to talk about the Willie Brown stuff anymore.

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @89th said in It's Walz:

            @Mik said in It's Walz:

            89th? Paging 89th....

            Just got back from a lake vacation with the family (vacation = just a trip where we relocate the bedtime routine with kids) so I haven't read this thread or most other threads but....

            Under Walz it seems we have a surplus (but also higher taxes), great schools, great parks, free school lunches for all kids, and one of the higher ranking states in most categories. So in my direct personal life, aside from the higher income taxes, he's done a great job. In terms of things that don't really impact me but I disagree with... his support for trans and abortion support and other liberal policies is not preferred.

            In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

            Economic growth has trailed the national average by damn near 50%

            Crime rates started spiking in Minnesota in 2019, before anybody ever heard of George Floyd, and continued to rise through 2021. It's come down some following 2021, but is still above the 2020 levels during the Floyd riots.

            It still might be a great place right now, but is it as good as it was before Walz took office?

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            @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

            In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

            Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

            I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

            I was only joking

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              @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

              In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

              Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

              I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

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              @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

              @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

              In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

              Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

              I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

              Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

                Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

                I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

                Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

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                Doctor Phibes
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                @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

                Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

                I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

                Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

                You're the one who brought up the state rankings for public schools, not me, and surely the point of the discussion is to make a direct comparison between similarly managed schools with different political affiliations. Comparing public schools in Massachusetts with private schools in Oklahoma wouldn't make much sense, since you're then comparing apples with rocky mountain oysters. You need one variable, which in this case is political party.

                I was only joking

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                  But let’s start with public schools…

                  Oh look, Florida’s 1, Utah’s 2. I think those are safely on the Republican/Conservative Side. Mass and NJ are 3 & 4, solid blue. Colorado and Wisconsin are 5 & 6. They are purplish. I’ll give you Colorado and take Wisconsin. Wyoming (R) is 7 and Connecticut (B) is 8. NH and VA are 9 & 10. Purplish…

                  So red gets the Gold and Silver, blue gets the Bronze and Runner Up. The rest is a mishmash.

                  https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

                  The Brad

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                    In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

                    Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

                    I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

                    Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

                    You're the one who brought up the state rankings for public schools, not me, and surely the point of the discussion is to make a direct comparison between similarly managed schools with different political affiliations. Comparing public schools in Massachusetts with private schools in Oklahoma wouldn't make much sense, since you're then comparing apples with rocky mountain oysters. You need one variable, which in this case is political party.

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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                    In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

                    Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

                    I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

                    Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

                    You're the one who brought up the state rankings for public schools, not me, and surely the point of the discussion is to make a direct comparison between similarly managed schools with different political affiliations. Comparing public schools in Massachusetts with private schools in Oklahoma wouldn't make much sense, since you're then comparing apples with rocky mountain oysters. You need one variable, which in this case is political party.

                    My point is not about the actual rankings, but the slippage during his term. If they were 48 when he took office and were 44 when he left, he’s doing better than going from 12-15. It’s about the direction, not the actual ranking.

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      But let’s start with public schools…

                      Oh look, Florida’s 1, Utah’s 2. I think those are safely on the Republican/Conservative Side. Mass and NJ are 3 & 4, solid blue. Colorado and Wisconsin are 5 & 6. They are purplish. I’ll give you Colorado and take Wisconsin. Wyoming (R) is 7 and Connecticut (B) is 8. NH and VA are 9 & 10. Purplish…

                      So red gets the Gold and Silver, blue gets the Bronze and Runner Up. The rest is a mishmash.

                      https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #151

                      @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                      But let’s start with public schools…

                      Oh look, Florida’s 1, Utah’s 2. I think those are safely on the Republican/Conservative Side. Mass and NJ are 3 & 4, solid blue. Colorado and Wisconsin are 5 & 6. They are purplish. I’ll give you Colorado and take Wisconsin. Wyoming (R) is 7 and Connecticut (B) is 8. NH and VA are 9 & 10. Purplish…

                      So red gets the Gold and Silver, blue gets the Bronze and Runner Up. The rest is a mishmash.

                      https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

                      I think there may be some controversy regarding those numbers. If you look at the original map you posted, Florida didn't score nearly so well.

                      I was only joking

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in It's Walz:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                        In 2019 the state ranked 10th in the nation in public education. Today it's ranked 15th. That's called a trend https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state

                        Do you really want to use public school rankings as a basis for determining which party is doing a better job with education?

                        I mean, it seems like an obvious thing to do, but still....

                        Why limit it to public schools? Why not include private and homeschooling?

                        You're the one who brought up the state rankings for public schools, not me, and surely the point of the discussion is to make a direct comparison between similarly managed schools with different political affiliations. Comparing public schools in Massachusetts with private schools in Oklahoma wouldn't make much sense, since you're then comparing apples with rocky mountain oysters. You need one variable, which in this case is political party.

                        My point is not about the actual rankings, but the slippage during his term. If they were 48 when he took office and were 44 when he left, he’s doing better than going from 12-15. It’s about the direction, not the actual ranking.

                        Doctor PhibesD Online
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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #152

                        @LuFins-Dad said in It's Walz:

                        My point is not about the actual rankings, but the slippage during his term. If they were 48 when he took office and were 44 when he left, he’s doing better than going from 12-15. It’s about the direction, not the actual ranking.

                        I know, it's election year. We're all looking for data to support our beliefs.

                        Still, I'd rather send my kids to school in bluest of the blue Massachusetts, and what's more I put my money where my mouth is. We didn't move into considerably more affordable (although admittedly equally Democrat dominated) Rhode Island until after they both graduated from High School.

                        All this being said, I don't actually think it's got much to do with politics if I'm honest. It's mostly about affluence.

                        I was only joking

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                          My high school was number 1 in the state, so all the others were losers.

                          It was the first Nixon administration, he defeated Hubert Humphrey.

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                            My high school was number 1 in the state, so all the others were losers.

                            It was the first Nixon administration, he defeated Hubert Humphrey.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            @Copper said in It's Walz:

                            My high school was number 1 in the state, so all the others were losers.

                            It was the first Nixon administration, he defeated Hubert Humphrey.

                            ...and that State was the only one to vote against him in the next election, which could be used to suggest that a good education does add some value.

                            I was only joking

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                              George McGovern was a good man, a combat pilot flew a B24 in WWII.

                              Both parties had reasonably good, experienced and qualified candidates.

                              Although Mr. Nixon's goodness faded somewhat.

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                                Weird...

                                GVOgu3xaoAAFPDM.jpeg

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  You know, the guy is sixty.

                                  Doesn't look a day over 75.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Yeah he’s only six months older than Harris. Looks decades older.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Yeah he’s only six months older than Harris. Looks decades older.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in It's Walz:

                                      Yeah he’s only six months older than Harris. Looks decades older.

                                      It's the PTSD he talked about.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Iraq could be a dangerous and violent place...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Weird...

                                          GVOgu3xaoAAFPDM.jpeg

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                                          @George-K said in It's Walz:

                                          Weird...

                                          GVOgu3xaoAAFPDM.jpeg

                                          Could be a freeze frame from a Saturday Night Fever dance scene.

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