"Women's" Boxing at the Olympics

[George K]

The tweet I posted was by a doctor who explained androgen insensitivity, speculating that that's what was going on. He deleted it, saying he was guessing with no basis in fact.

[jon-nyc]

@Mik said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

Assuming this is a natural aberration it’s a shame and I feel for her. But again, letting her compete is a tyranny of a tiny minority. The rest of the world should not have to bear her burden.

I don’t know. Michael Phelps has a body perfectly designed for swimming. A genetic rarity indeed. We don’t disallow him to participate because of it.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

@Mik said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

Assuming this is a natural aberration it’s a shame and I feel for her. But again, letting her compete is a tyranny of a tiny minority. The rest of the world should not have to bear her burden.

I don’t know. Michael Phelps has a body perfectly designed for swimming. A genetic rarity indeed. We don’t disallow him to participate because of it.

Michael Phelps DNA isn’t XYDOLPHIN, either. I’m comfortable using DNA as the dividing line, even if there are a very very few in this world that won’t work for.

[LuFins Dad]

If this person was genuinely born XY with female genitalia, it still raises questions about muscular and bone development, etc… I get your argument, @jon-nyc . Would Andre the Giant be disallowed from the heavyweight wrestling matches because of an unfair size advantage? But if she’s got the biological advantages of a dude and she’s XY, then that’s a reasonable cutoff.

[taiwan_girl]

@LuFins-Dad Agree.

Seems to be an unfair advantage. If things were physically the same between men and women, there would not be separate categories in sports.

[Mik]

Genetics certainly plays a part in a person's ability, but Phelps wasn't beating his competition by huge margins, but by seconds and tenths of seconds. The comparison doesn't stand up.

[jon-nyc]

She’s lost to plenty of women in the past. The reason this match was so fast is the opponent dropped out.

Besides, could that really be the rule? You’re only allowed to be just so much better than everyone else lest you’re disqualified?

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

She’s lost to plenty of women in the past. The reason this match was so fast is the opponent dropped out.

Besides, could that really be the rule? You’re only allowed to be just so much better than everyone else lest you’re disqualified?

The rule here was whatever is on your passport.

The rule for the IBF was genetic. If they came back XY, it came back XY. That seems pretty cut and dried to me. Just because this person has lost to women in the past makes it no less a potential mismatch.

Can a woman beat a man boxing? Yes.

Should she have to?

If this is a genuine intersexed person, then again, I feel all of the compassion in the world for them, but that doesn’t mean they should fighting women if they have a man’s bone density and muscular development.

[jon-nyc]

I’ve read that the IBF hasn’t specified what their test is. My whole line of argument is assuming she’s XX with a hormone problem.

[Mik]

Ivorythumper asked a similar question, and I quote:

So what will be your recalibration if it turns out the Imane Kelif is a non-Y female who just has high testosterone and completely dominated her opponent who psychologically collapsed?
Kelif has competed in the Olympic before as a woman and has lost many matches in women’s boxing.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

I’ve read that the IBF hasn’t specified what their test is. My whole line of argument is assuming she’s XX with a hormone problem.

I’ve read the President of the IBF stated Khelif was specifically XY, but Khelif is not signing off on releasing the results.

This is pretty simply, XY, they’ve got to fly. XX, they’re the correct sex…

[jon-nyc]

I read in BBC that they did a testosterone test, and the president of the IBF said the levels of testosterone 'prove' she's an XY, which seems a bit more dubious.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

I read in BBC that they did a testosterone test, and the president of the IBF said the levels of testosterone 'prove' she's an XY, which seems a bit more dubious.

The IBF say it was not a testosterone test, but the results are confidential. https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/02/sport/who-is-imane-khelif-olympic-boxer-intl/index.html

The IBF is far from the most trustworthy organization and has many legitimate corruption scandals, but then again, so does the IOC. Khelif has the option and ability to put all of this to rest, then sue the everloving shit out of the IBF if she is XX. She also has the option of maintaining as much privacy as she can and not answering the questions. But that will leave her open for continued scrutiny and doubts.

[taiwan_girl]

Well, at least Rep. Boebert started a Go Fund for the Italian boxer.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/aug/1/lauren-boebert-launches-givesendgo-crowdfund-campa/

[George K]

@taiwan_girl said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

the Italian boxer

So that's what it's called now.

[LuFins Dad]

Well crap, the Bulgarian boxer that just lost to the Taiwanese boxer that was also tagged by the IBF refused to shake hands, pointed to self, and flashed X twice…

[George K]

My understanding is that there's some controversy about the IBA.

Nevertheless, this is a pretty strong statement.

[jon-nyc]

[LuFins Dad]

A lot of confusion, people are thinking the two boxers are going to face each other, but they aren’t. They are in different weight classes.

[LuFins Dad]

Dawkins wanted to weigh in (see what I did, there?), but FB didn’t like it.