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The Teenager Who Killed Millions

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    https://www.hoover.org/research/teenager-who-killed-millions

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
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      There would have been a war anyway.

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        There would have been a war anyway.

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        @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

        There would have been a war anyway.

        Between who?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
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          Maybe, maybe not.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            I've long thought about writing a book called something like "the most important man of the 20th century" on which the cover is Princip (and the primary story is about him).

            The book would start with his story, before the shooting, the crazy coincidences needed for the shooting to happen (e.g., he failed in the first attempt, went to get a sandwich, the motorcade took an alternate route that stopped by the sandwich shop, so Princip took a bite and then took a shot), and the ripple effect he had... two world wars, invention of rocket technology, and so on.

            The rest of the book would be similar tales of incredible coincidences that enabled other historical events and their respective ripple effects. Kind of like a butterfly effect review of the 20th century.

            And when the book becomes a best seller, I would follow it up with one about the 19th century, and so forth.

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

              There would have been a war anyway.

              Between who?

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
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              @Jolly said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

              There would have been a war anyway.

              Between who?

              Between everybody

              The people to blame weren't Serbian terrorists but the leaderships of the countries involved, and also the Prussian culture following the Franco-Prussian war in the 19th century.

              It could still have been avoided after the assassination of Ferdinand if people had wanted to, or had fully appreciated how things were going to end.

              I was only joking

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              • MikM Away
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                I suppose if they had four assassins at that time, they'd try again.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Butterfly effect.

                  There are a million factors that influence whether a war occurs or not. This was just one of them.

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    You read my book!

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Jolly said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                      There would have been a war anyway.

                      Between who?

                      Between everybody

                      The people to blame weren't Serbian terrorists but the leaderships of the countries involved, and also the Prussian culture following the Franco-Prussian war in the 19th century.

                      It could still have been avoided after the assassination of Ferdinand if people had wanted to, or had fully appreciated how things were going to end.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                      @Jolly said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                      There would have been a war anyway.

                      Between who?

                      Between everybody

                      The people to blame weren't Serbian terrorists but the leaderships of the countries involved, and also the Prussian culture following the Franco-Prussian war in the 19th century.

                      It could still have been avoided after the assassination of Ferdinand if people had wanted to, or had fully appreciated how things were going to end.

                      The two countries that could have put an end to it from the onset were Austria-Hungary and Russia. The former wasn’t willing and the latter had no institutional governance in place outside of an inept autocrat, to stop the mobilization once engaged.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Interesting thought exercise, but WW1 would probably still have happened in some form.

                        (I have a picture of myself on the bridge. I don't remember that there was (at the time) any indication that the killing took place there.)

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          I've long thought about writing a book called something like "the most important man of the 20th century" on which the cover is Princip (and the primary story is about him).

                          The book would start with his story, before the shooting, the crazy coincidences needed for the shooting to happen (e.g., he failed in the first attempt, went to get a sandwich, the motorcade took an alternate route that stopped by the sandwich shop, so Princip took a bite and then took a shot), and the ripple effect he had... two world wars, invention of rocket technology, and so on.

                          The rest of the book would be similar tales of incredible coincidences that enabled other historical events and their respective ripple effects. Kind of like a butterfly effect review of the 20th century.

                          And when the book becomes a best seller, I would follow it up with one about the 19th century, and so forth.

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                          @89th said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                          I've long thought about writing a book called something like "the most important man of the 20th century" on which the cover is Princip (and the primary story is about him).

                          The book would start with his story, before the shooting, the crazy coincidences needed for the shooting to happen (e.g., he failed in the first attempt, went to get a sandwich, the motorcade took an alternate route that stopped by the sandwich shop, so Princip took a bite and then took a shot), and the ripple effect he had... two world wars, invention of rocket technology, and so on.

                          The rest of the book would be similar tales of incredible coincidences that enabled other historical events and their respective ripple effects. Kind of like a butterfly effect review of the 20th century.

                          And when the book becomes a best seller, I would follow it up with one about the 19th century, and so forth.

                          Then you could do all of the centuries back to Caesar. They’d all become blockbuster movies as well as bestsellers. You’d become so famous the 21c version could be your autobiography.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            @Jolly said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                            There would have been a war anyway.

                            Between who?

                            Between everybody

                            The people to blame weren't Serbian terrorists but the leaderships of the countries involved, and also the Prussian culture following the Franco-Prussian war in the 19th century.

                            It could still have been avoided after the assassination of Ferdinand if people had wanted to, or had fully appreciated how things were going to end.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                            @Jolly said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Teenager Who Killed Millions:

                            There would have been a war anyway.

                            Between who?

                            Between everybody

                            The people to blame weren't Serbian terrorists but the leaderships of the countries involved, and also the Prussian culture following the Franco-Prussian war in the 19th century.

                            It could still have been avoided after the assassination of Ferdinand if people had wanted to, or had fully appreciated how things were going to end.

                            The $64 question...If Ferdinand had not been assasinated, would we still have had a world war? Or simply a regional conflict such as the Franco-Prussian War? Or no war?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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