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    Larry
    wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 00:45 last edited by
    #33

    And in other news, AOC is upset about Kasick getting to speak for 5 minutes but she was only given 60 seconds.

    She said "You'd think they could at least given me a minute..."

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    • G George K
      24 Aug 2020, 00:30

      @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

      If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

      You're right. I have no knowledge whether these proceedings are available to the public. Presumably they are.

      However, they were not broadcast to the millions of people who watched the DNC convention.

      Why were some parts which omitted the "under God" not broadcast while those parts which included it, indeed broadcast? Why are the Democrats ashamed to show diversity of opinion?

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:15 last edited by
      #34

      @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

      Link to video

      Thank you for the YouTube link. I am glad to see this. Here I will also address @George-K.

      This is good. The publication of these videos, contrary to @George-K's assertion, shows that the Democrats are not afraid to reflect and publish different opinions.

      @Larry, let me know if you think there are Republicans who, when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, will omit the "under God" part.

      And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

      Frankly I am quite glad that there is a major political party in the USA that still has a tent big enough to include atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. As the technology people say sometimes, this is a feature, not a bug.

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        Rainman
        wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:17 last edited by
        #35

        O, for chrissakes, Ax.
        What difference, at this point, does it make?
        Seriously.

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        • A Axtremus
          24 Aug 2020, 01:15

          @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

          Link to video

          Thank you for the YouTube link. I am glad to see this. Here I will also address @George-K.

          This is good. The publication of these videos, contrary to @George-K's assertion, shows that the Democrats are not afraid to reflect and publish different opinions.

          @Larry, let me know if you think there are Republicans who, when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, will omit the "under God" part.

          And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

          Frankly I am quite glad that there is a major political party in the USA that still has a tent big enough to include atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. As the technology people say sometimes, this is a feature, not a bug.

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          George K
          wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:21 last edited by
          #36

          @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

          And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

          Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.

          In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

          Are they ashamed?

          I'd really like to know.

          Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            24 Aug 2020, 01:21

            @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

            And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

            Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.

            In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

            Are they ashamed?

            I'd really like to know.

            Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

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            Horace
            wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:30 last edited by
            #37

            @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

            Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

            The eagle can almost smell the bunny, it's so close. Hopping to and fro on the Serengeti plain. Juicy, plump, delicious. Will the eagle swoop in for the kill? Time will tell!

            Education is extremely important.

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            • G George K
              24 Aug 2020, 01:21

              @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

              And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

              Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.

              In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

              Are they ashamed?

              I'd really like to know.

              Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

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              Axtremus
              wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:39 last edited by
              #38

              @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

              In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

              Are they ashamed?

              I'd really like to know.

              Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

              I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

              1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

              2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

              3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

              You are welcome.

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              • A Axtremus
                24 Aug 2020, 01:39

                @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                Are they ashamed?

                I'd really like to know.

                Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                You are welcome.

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                Rainman
                wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:46 last edited by
                #39

                My man.
                My Main Man!
                Yeah George, I agree. Don't be so provincial.

                Just look in your rolodex under D for "democrat Muslims."
                Racists, all here are racists, huh Ax.

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                • A Axtremus
                  24 Aug 2020, 01:39

                  @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                  In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                  Are they ashamed?

                  I'd really like to know.

                  Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                  I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                  1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                  2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                  3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                  You are welcome.

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                  Larry
                  wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:48 last edited by
                  #40

                  @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                  @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                  In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                  Are they ashamed?

                  I'd really like to know.

                  Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                  I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                  1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                  2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                  3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                  You are welcome.

                  The democrats have been trying to eliminate all mention of God for years, you fucking fool.

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                  • A Axtremus
                    24 Aug 2020, 01:39

                    @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                    In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                    Are they ashamed?

                    I'd really like to know.

                    Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                    I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                    1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                    2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                    3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                    You are welcome.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:49 last edited by
                    #41

                    @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                    Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                    I didn't say that. I simply reported that the Muslim subcommittee decided to not include "under God" in their interpretation of the Pledge of Allegiance.

                    If there is a reason that I'm missing, I'd love to hear your speculation as to why that is.

                    Is it shame?
                    Is it fear?
                    Is it something else?
                    They're not atheists are they?
                    Are they so non-inclusive that "God" is not to be used but "Allah" is? If they had said "One nation, under Allah" would they have done it?

                    Just spitballing questions as to why they decided to omit it.

                    As I said, I'd love to hear your opinion as to why they did that.

                    On a related note, I would think that the DNC would be more inclusive with respect to diversity. After all, some prominent groups decided to not include their variation of the pledge, and yet, the DNC didn't broadcast that version.

                    Why do you think that is? Could it be they were ashamed? Could it be because they didn't want to offend anyone? I don't know; I'd love to hear your thoughts.

                    Again, thanks in advance.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • L Larry
                      24 Aug 2020, 01:48

                      @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                      @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                      In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                      Are they ashamed?

                      I'd really like to know.

                      Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                      I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                      1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                      2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                      3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                      You are welcome.

                      The democrats have been trying to eliminate all mention of God for years, you fucking fool.

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:51 last edited by
                      #42

                      @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                      The democrats have been trying to eliminate all mention of God for years

                      This is obviously false. There are no lack of Democrats still mentioning God today.

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                      • G George K
                        24 Aug 2020, 01:49

                        @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                        Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                        I didn't say that. I simply reported that the Muslim subcommittee decided to not include "under God" in their interpretation of the Pledge of Allegiance.

                        If there is a reason that I'm missing, I'd love to hear your speculation as to why that is.

                        Is it shame?
                        Is it fear?
                        Is it something else?
                        They're not atheists are they?
                        Are they so non-inclusive that "God" is not to be used but "Allah" is? If they had said "One nation, under Allah" would they have done it?

                        Just spitballing questions as to why they decided to omit it.

                        As I said, I'd love to hear your opinion as to why they did that.

                        On a related note, I would think that the DNC would be more inclusive with respect to diversity. After all, some prominent groups decided to not include their variation of the pledge, and yet, the DNC didn't broadcast that version.

                        Why do you think that is? Could it be they were ashamed? Could it be because they didn't want to offend anyone? I don't know; I'd love to hear your thoughts.

                        Again, thanks in advance.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 01:58 last edited by
                        #43

                        @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                        As I said, I'd love to hear your opinion as to why they did that.

                        I have no opinion on why they did that.
                        I have no problem with it.

                        Again, thanks in advance.

                        You are welcome.

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                          Larry
                          wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 02:01 last edited by
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                          You have to be the dumbest human I've ever seen.

                          It is a well known fact that democrats have tried to eliminate all mention of God from public discourse. You yourself have weighed in on the subject in the past. Just because on occasion you see some democrat politician mention God does not negate the fact that the democrats, including you, mock and make fun of God and people of faith, and have worked diligently for YEARS trying to eliminate all mention of God. For you to now turn around and claim they haven't is pure hypocrisy.

                          Democrats want to kill babies, eliminate God,.... your party is an evil, vile ideology with absolutely no values and no principles. You're a bunch of morons.

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                          • A Axtremus
                            24 Aug 2020, 01:15

                            @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            Link to video

                            Thank you for the YouTube link. I am glad to see this. Here I will also address @George-K.

                            This is good. The publication of these videos, contrary to @George-K's assertion, shows that the Democrats are not afraid to reflect and publish different opinions.

                            @Larry, let me know if you think there are Republicans who, when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, will omit the "under God" part.

                            And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

                            Frankly I am quite glad that there is a major political party in the USA that still has a tent big enough to include atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. As the technology people say sometimes, this is a feature, not a bug.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 24 Aug 2020, 04:14 last edited by
                            #45

                            @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            Link to video

                            Thank you for the YouTube link. I am glad to see this. Here I will also address @George-K.

                            This is good. The publication of these videos, contrary to @George-K's assertion, shows that the Democrats are not afraid to reflect and publish different opinions.

                            @Larry, let me know if you think there are Republicans who, when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, will omit the "under God" part.

                            And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

                            Frankly I am quite glad that there is a major political party in the USA that still has a tent big enough to include atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. As the technology people say sometimes, this is a feature, not a bug.

                            Turned on a dime and gave four cents change.

                            Impressive!😄

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                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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