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  • George KG George K

    @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

    Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

    You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

    IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....

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    Axtremus
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    @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

    @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

    Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

    You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

    If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

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      Link to video

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

        @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

        Unleash it on him, Horace!!!

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/22/fact-check-dnc-did-not-omit-under-god-pledge-allegiance/3419308001/

        You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.

        If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

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        @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

        If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

        You're right. I have no knowledge whether these proceedings are available to the public. Presumably they are.

        However, they were not broadcast to the millions of people who watched the DNC convention.

        Why were some parts which omitted the "under God" not broadcast while those parts which included it, indeed broadcast? Why are the Democrats ashamed to show diversity of opinion?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • LarryL Larry

          @jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:

          Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.

          Just want to clear that up.

          What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

          Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.

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          @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

          What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

          The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
          Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

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            We must be careful in how much we show how much information is being withheld from democrats. Their heads might implode.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

              What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

              The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
              Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

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              @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

              @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

              What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

              The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
              Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

              I know who I'm talking about, cuck.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.

                The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
                Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

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                @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
                Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.

                Why do you consider Muslims and LGBTQ people not "regular?"

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Larry
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                    This one is from the queer caucus. The speaker is a male who thinks hes a woman, and a mermaid....

                    Link to video

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                      And in other news, AOC is upset about Kasick getting to speak for 5 minutes but she was only given 60 seconds.

                      She said "You'd think they could at least given me a minute..."

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                        If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?

                        You're right. I have no knowledge whether these proceedings are available to the public. Presumably they are.

                        However, they were not broadcast to the millions of people who watched the DNC convention.

                        Why were some parts which omitted the "under God" not broadcast while those parts which included it, indeed broadcast? Why are the Democrats ashamed to show diversity of opinion?

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                        @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                        Link to video

                        Thank you for the YouTube link. I am glad to see this. Here I will also address @George-K.

                        This is good. The publication of these videos, contrary to @George-K's assertion, shows that the Democrats are not afraid to reflect and publish different opinions.

                        @Larry, let me know if you think there are Republicans who, when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, will omit the "under God" part.

                        And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

                        Frankly I am quite glad that there is a major political party in the USA that still has a tent big enough to include atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. As the technology people say sometimes, this is a feature, not a bug.

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                          O, for chrissakes, Ax.
                          What difference, at this point, does it make?
                          Seriously.

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            Link to video

                            Thank you for the YouTube link. I am glad to see this. Here I will also address @George-K.

                            This is good. The publication of these videos, contrary to @George-K's assertion, shows that the Democrats are not afraid to reflect and publish different opinions.

                            @Larry, let me know if you think there are Republicans who, when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, will omit the "under God" part.

                            And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

                            Frankly I am quite glad that there is a major political party in the USA that still has a tent big enough to include atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. As the technology people say sometimes, this is a feature, not a bug.

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                            @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                            And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

                            Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.

                            In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                            Are they ashamed?

                            I'd really like to know.

                            Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                              And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

                              Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.

                              In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                              Are they ashamed?

                              I'd really like to know.

                              Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

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                              @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                              Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                              The eagle can almost smell the bunny, it's so close. Hopping to and fro on the Serengeti plain. Juicy, plump, delicious. Will the eagle swoop in for the kill? Time will tell!

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.

                                Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.

                                In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                                Are they ashamed?

                                I'd really like to know.

                                Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

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                                Axtremus
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                                #38

                                @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                                Are they ashamed?

                                I'd really like to know.

                                Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                                I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                                1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                                2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                                3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                                You are welcome.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                  In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                                  Are they ashamed?

                                  I'd really like to know.

                                  Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                                  I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                                  1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                                  2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                                  3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                                  You are welcome.

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                                  My man.
                                  My Main Man!
                                  Yeah George, I agree. Don't be so provincial.

                                  Just look in your rolodex under D for "democrat Muslims."
                                  Racists, all here are racists, huh Ax.

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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                    In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                                    Are they ashamed?

                                    I'd really like to know.

                                    Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                                    I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                                    1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                                    2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                                    3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                                    You are welcome.

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                                    Larry
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                                    @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                    @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                    In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                                    Are they ashamed?

                                    I'd really like to know.

                                    Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                                    I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                                    1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                                    2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                                    3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                                    You are welcome.

                                    The democrats have been trying to eliminate all mention of God for years, you fucking fool.

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                                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                      @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                      In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                                      Are they ashamed?

                                      I'd really like to know.

                                      Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                                      I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                                      1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                                      2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                                      3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                                      You are welcome.

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                                      @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                      Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                                      I didn't say that. I simply reported that the Muslim subcommittee decided to not include "under God" in their interpretation of the Pledge of Allegiance.

                                      If there is a reason that I'm missing, I'd love to hear your speculation as to why that is.

                                      Is it shame?
                                      Is it fear?
                                      Is it something else?
                                      They're not atheists are they?
                                      Are they so non-inclusive that "God" is not to be used but "Allah" is? If they had said "One nation, under Allah" would they have done it?

                                      Just spitballing questions as to why they decided to omit it.

                                      As I said, I'd love to hear your opinion as to why they did that.

                                      On a related note, I would think that the DNC would be more inclusive with respect to diversity. After all, some prominent groups decided to not include their variation of the pledge, and yet, the DNC didn't broadcast that version.

                                      Why do you think that is? Could it be they were ashamed? Could it be because they didn't want to offend anyone? I don't know; I'd love to hear your thoughts.

                                      Again, thanks in advance.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • LarryL Larry

                                        @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                        @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                        In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?

                                        Are they ashamed?

                                        I'd really like to know.

                                        Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.

                                        I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:

                                        1. Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                                        2. Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.

                                        3. Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.

                                        You are welcome.

                                        The democrats have been trying to eliminate all mention of God for years, you fucking fool.

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                                        Axtremus
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                                        @Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                        The democrats have been trying to eliminate all mention of God for years

                                        This is obviously false. There are no lack of Democrats still mentioning God today.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                          Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.

                                          I didn't say that. I simply reported that the Muslim subcommittee decided to not include "under God" in their interpretation of the Pledge of Allegiance.

                                          If there is a reason that I'm missing, I'd love to hear your speculation as to why that is.

                                          Is it shame?
                                          Is it fear?
                                          Is it something else?
                                          They're not atheists are they?
                                          Are they so non-inclusive that "God" is not to be used but "Allah" is? If they had said "One nation, under Allah" would they have done it?

                                          Just spitballing questions as to why they decided to omit it.

                                          As I said, I'd love to hear your opinion as to why they did that.

                                          On a related note, I would think that the DNC would be more inclusive with respect to diversity. After all, some prominent groups decided to not include their variation of the pledge, and yet, the DNC didn't broadcast that version.

                                          Why do you think that is? Could it be they were ashamed? Could it be because they didn't want to offend anyone? I don't know; I'd love to hear your thoughts.

                                          Again, thanks in advance.

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                                          @George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:

                                          As I said, I'd love to hear your opinion as to why they did that.

                                          I have no opinion on why they did that.
                                          I have no problem with it.

                                          Again, thanks in advance.

                                          You are welcome.

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