Ceding the Working Class
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in fairness, most of jon's non-TNCR friends would believe that Trump voters, behind closed doors, support Nazis and all those people. And I doubt jon goes out of his way to correct them. Not because he doesn't know better, but because he wouldn't want to be painted as someone who secretly likes Nazis.
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I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.
@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
I’m sorry Horace I thought maybe you’d be consistent In classifying willful ignorance as lying. I should have known better.
Willful ignorance is lying, and if Larry or anybody else was being willfully ignorant of anything, they were lying. I'm not convinced he was.
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Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.
Just want to clear that up.
@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.
Just want to clear that up.
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.
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@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
IOW: Say it if you want people to think what you mean, but behind closed doors....
@George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:
@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?
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@George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:
@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Unleash it on him, Horace!!!
You're right. In the broadcasted parts of the DNC convention, you know, the parts which the public saw, "under God" was included. In several committee meetings (not available to the public) it was omitted.
If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?
@Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:
If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?
You're right. I have no knowledge whether these proceedings are available to the public. Presumably they are.
However, they were not broadcast to the millions of people who watched the DNC convention.
Why were some parts which omitted the "under God" not broadcast while those parts which included it, indeed broadcast? Why are the Democrats ashamed to show diversity of opinion?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@jon-nyc said in Ceding the Working Class:
Ok Larry, so you’re conceding the Democratic ‘regular guys’ did say it.
Just want to clear that up.
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
Come on, Jon. You're not this stupid.
@Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about. -
@Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.@Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:
@Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.I know who I'm talking about, cuck.
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@Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:
What the hell... I'm not conceding, that's what I've been saying all along. YOU are the one who switched from talking about the "regular people" to the public convention.
The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.@Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:
The "regular people" were shown in the publicly broadcasted parts of the convention.
Perhaps you are the one who is confused about who you think you were complaining about.Why do you consider Muslims and LGBTQ people not "regular?"
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This one is from the queer caucus. The speaker is a male who thinks hes a woman, and a mermaid....
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@Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:
If the committee meetings' proceedings are not available to the public, how do you know that the "under God" part has been omitted?
You're right. I have no knowledge whether these proceedings are available to the public. Presumably they are.
However, they were not broadcast to the millions of people who watched the DNC convention.
Why were some parts which omitted the "under God" not broadcast while those parts which included it, indeed broadcast? Why are the Democrats ashamed to show diversity of opinion?
@Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:
Link to video
Thank you for the YouTube link. I am glad to see this. Here I will also address @George-K.
This is good. The publication of these videos, contrary to @George-K's assertion, shows that the Democrats are not afraid to reflect and publish different opinions.
@Larry, let me know if you think there are Republicans who, when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, will omit the "under God" part.
And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.
Frankly I am quite glad that there is a major political party in the USA that still has a tent big enough to include atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. As the technology people say sometimes, this is a feature, not a bug.
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@Larry said in Ceding the Working Class:
Link to video
Thank you for the YouTube link. I am glad to see this. Here I will also address @George-K.
This is good. The publication of these videos, contrary to @George-K's assertion, shows that the Democrats are not afraid to reflect and publish different opinions.
@Larry, let me know if you think there are Republicans who, when they say the Pledge of Allegiance, will omit the "under God" part.
And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.
Frankly I am quite glad that there is a major political party in the USA that still has a tent big enough to include atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. As the technology people say sometimes, this is a feature, not a bug.
@Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:
And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.
Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.
In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?
Are they ashamed?
I'd really like to know.
Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:
And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.
Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.
In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?
Are they ashamed?
I'd really like to know.
Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.
@George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:
Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.
The eagle can almost smell the bunny, it's so close. Hopping to and fro on the Serengeti plain. Juicy, plump, delicious. Will the eagle swoop in for the kill? Time will tell!
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@Axtremus said in Ceding the Working Class:
And @George-K, let me know if you think the Republicans will publish videos of committee meetings where in some Republicans say the Pledge of Allegiance without the "under God" part.
Looking forward to seeing that, should it occur.
In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?
Are they ashamed?
I'd really like to know.
Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.
@George-K said in Ceding the Working Class:
In the meantime, why are Democrat Muslims afraid to say "Under God?" Are they afraid of the language ("Allah" vs "God")?
Are they ashamed?
I'd really like to know.
Please let me know your thoughts, and...of course. thanks in advance.
I have two pieces of advice and one suggestion for you:
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Do not generalize one video showing "one Democrat Muslim" saying the Pledge of Allegiance one way and think that "all Democrat Muslims" would also say it the same way.
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Do not assume that the omission is due to fear or shame. At this point, it does not look like you have enough information to make either inference.
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Consider talking to Democrat Muslims you know and see what they have to say about this.
You are welcome.
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