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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @LuFins-Dad said in Character counts:

    You know, he’s technically not a convicted felon until sentencing?

    Is that right? Seems counterintuitive. He’s been convicted of felonies.

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    LuFins Dad
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    #10

    @jon-nyc said in Character counts:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Character counts:

    You know, he’s technically not a convicted felon until sentencing?

    Is that right? Seems counterintuitive. He’s been convicted of felonies.

    Yeah, I heard about it immediately afterward. Technically, the case isn’t over until the judge brings Down the gavel at the end of the sentencing. It’s semantics, just ask all of those Justice Impacted Individuals.

    The Brad

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #11

      Interesting. Does seem counterintuitive, indeed.

      Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 7.45.48 AM.png

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        Interesting. Does seem counterintuitive, indeed.

        Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 7.45.48 AM.png

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        Horace
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        #12

        @George-K said in Character counts:

        Interesting. Does seem counterintuitive, indeed.

        Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 7.45.48 AM.png

        That wouldn’t track with the ways those words are used by anybody. There is no common word to distinguish an accused person after being found guilty but before being sentenced. Any attempt to use a careful word, will make it sound like the trial hasn’t happened yet and a verdict has not been returned. So, anybody interested in clarity, should disregard this bit of technical accuracy.

        Education is extremely important.

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          Axtremus
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          #13

          Seriously, people, don’t just take ChatGPT’s words for it. Factcheck.

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            George K
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            #14

            Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 8.31.13 AM.png

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by Axtremus
              #15

              Do not take ChatGPT’s words (including “citations,” “publications,” “quotes,” “references,” “case texts,” “examples,” “precedents,” etc.) for it. Factcheck with resources outside of generative AI tools/platforms.

              ChatGPT is known to have cited “publications” and “case laws” that are non-existent.

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                LuFins Dad
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                #16

                I didn’t know I was Chat GPT. Where are my royalties?

                The Brad

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                • George KG George K

                  Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 8.31.13 AM.png

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                  Horace
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                  @George-K said in Character counts:

                  Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 8.31.13 AM.png

                  So this is already incoherent. “Sentencing is a separate phase that follows conviction”. There’s that word “conviction”. Indicating a person is a convicted felon before sentencing. I suggest this distinction between “convicted” and “guilty but not yet sentenced” is against any common usage, and might even be difficult to track down to any agreed upon source of truth.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    @George-K said in Character counts:

                    Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 8.31.13 AM.png

                    So this is already incoherent. “Sentencing is a separate phase that follows conviction”. There’s that word “conviction”. Indicating a person is a convicted felon before sentencing. I suggest this distinction between “convicted” and “guilty but not yet sentenced” is against any common usage, and might even be difficult to track down to any agreed upon source of truth.

                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #18

                    @Horace said in Character counts:

                    @George-K said in Character counts:

                    Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 8.31.13 AM.png

                    So this is already incoherent. “Sentencing is a separate phase that follows conviction”. There’s that word “conviction”. Indicating a person is a convicted felon before sentencing. I suggest this distinction between “convicted” and “guilty but not yet sentenced” is against any common usage, and might even be difficult to track down to any agreed upon source of truth.

                    At this point in time the case is still active. The jury has voted to convict but it is not technically finished until sentencing.

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      @Horace said in Character counts:

                      @George-K said in Character counts:

                      Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 8.31.13 AM.png

                      So this is already incoherent. “Sentencing is a separate phase that follows conviction”. There’s that word “conviction”. Indicating a person is a convicted felon before sentencing. I suggest this distinction between “convicted” and “guilty but not yet sentenced” is against any common usage, and might even be difficult to track down to any agreed upon source of truth.

                      At this point in time the case is still active. The jury has voted to convict but it is not technically finished until sentencing.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #19

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Character counts:

                      @Horace said in Character counts:

                      @George-K said in Character counts:

                      Screenshot 2024-07-22 at 8.31.13 AM.png

                      So this is already incoherent. “Sentencing is a separate phase that follows conviction”. There’s that word “conviction”. Indicating a person is a convicted felon before sentencing. I suggest this distinction between “convicted” and “guilty but not yet sentenced” is against any common usage, and might even be difficult to track down to any agreed upon source of truth.

                      At this point in time the case is still active. The jury has voted to convict but it is not technically finished until sentencing.

                      Then we have no common word to describe someone after a jury convicts and before they are sentenced. The suggested common words like “accused” would all imply that the trial hasn’t happened yet. So we would sacrifice clarity if we cared about this distinction.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        Jolly
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                        #20

                        In a country that no longer cares about justice or equal protection under the law, semantics are such a trivial thing...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
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                          #21

                          It's a distinction without a difference. How many felons can dance on the head of a pin.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            It's a distinction without a difference. How many felons can dance on the head of a pin.

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                            George K
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                            #22

                            @Mik said in Character counts:

                            It's a distinction without a difference.

                            ⬆

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #23

                              Is somebody considered a wanker before they actually finish?

                              How many wankers can dance on the head of....er, never mind.

                              I was only joking

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Mik said in Character counts:

                                It's a distinction without a difference.

                                ⬆

                                LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #24

                                @George-K said in Character counts:

                                @Mik said in Character counts:

                                It's a distinction without a difference.

                                ⬆

                                I dunno… What if DJT decided to file slander suits against all the outlets calling him a convicted felon?

                                The Brad

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #25

                                  It would go nowhere.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #26

                                    I am sure common usage would play into any decision on such a case, and therefore it would go nowhere.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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