Character counts

[AndyD]

It strikes me that a certain liberal-minded character is required to vote for a draft-dodging misogynistic convicted criminal.

Who knew so many Americans were such tolerant, broad and open minded thinkers; accepting and willing to give power to such a devious and nasty person.

[Jolly]

1. You know, I remember the Vietnam War. The latter part, quite well. If there was anyway you could, you worked the system to keep your happy ass out of the Nam.
2. For a misogynist, the guy sure has done pretty well with the ladies. Both romantically and in business.
3. Convicted felon? Lawfare, pure and simple. Witch hunts on a grand scale. Sound and fury, signifying nothing, brought by people who like to selectively prosecute threats to their cushy little world.

[LuFins Dad]

You know, he’s technically not a convicted felon until sentencing?

[George K]

@AndyD said in Character counts:

draft-dodging

Asthma in a football player lifeguard and student deferments.

misogynistic

Tara Read

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Character counts:

You know, I remember the Vietnam War. The latter part, quite well. If there was anyway you could, you worked the system to keep your happy ass out of the Nam.

It's hard to blame people for trying to avoid going to Vietnam. What is kind of annoying is when in later years they become the world's greatest military patriot. Ted Nugent springs to mind, although admittedly he can't seem to keep his story straight.

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad said in Character counts:

You know, he’s technically not a convicted felon until sentencing?

Is that right? Seems counterintuitive. He’s been convicted of felonies.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Character counts:

@LuFins-Dad said in Character counts:

You know, he’s technically not a convicted felon until sentencing?

Is that right? Seems counterintuitive. He’s been convicted of felonies.

Yeah, I heard about it immediately afterward. Technically, the case isn’t over until the judge brings Down the gavel at the end of the sentencing. It’s semantics, just ask all of those Justice Impacted Individuals.

[George K]

Interesting. Does seem counterintuitive, indeed.

[Horace]

@George-K said in Character counts:

Interesting. Does seem counterintuitive, indeed.

That wouldn’t track with the ways those words are used by anybody. There is no common word to distinguish an accused person after being found guilty but before being sentenced. Any attempt to use a careful word, will make it sound like the trial hasn’t happened yet and a verdict has not been returned. So, anybody interested in clarity, should disregard this bit of technical accuracy.

[Axtremus]

Seriously, people, don’t just take ChatGPT’s words for it. Factcheck.

[George K]

[Axtremus]

Do not take ChatGPT’s words (including “citations,” “publications,” “quotes,” “references,” “case texts,” “examples,” “precedents,” etc.) for it. Factcheck with resources outside of generative AI tools/platforms.

ChatGPT is known to have cited “publications” and “case laws” that are non-existent.

[LuFins Dad]

I didn’t know I was Chat GPT. Where are my royalties?

[Horace]

@George-K said in Character counts:

So this is already incoherent. “Sentencing is a separate phase that follows conviction”. There’s that word “conviction”. Indicating a person is a convicted felon before sentencing. I suggest this distinction between “convicted” and “guilty but not yet sentenced” is against any common usage, and might even be difficult to track down to any agreed upon source of truth.

[LuFins Dad]

@Horace said in Character counts:

@George-K said in Character counts:

So this is already incoherent. “Sentencing is a separate phase that follows conviction”. There’s that word “conviction”. Indicating a person is a convicted felon before sentencing. I suggest this distinction between “convicted” and “guilty but not yet sentenced” is against any common usage, and might even be difficult to track down to any agreed upon source of truth.

At this point in time the case is still active. The jury has voted to convict but it is not technically finished until sentencing.

[Horace]

@LuFins-Dad said in Character counts:

@Horace said in Character counts:

@George-K said in Character counts:

So this is already incoherent. “Sentencing is a separate phase that follows conviction”. There’s that word “conviction”. Indicating a person is a convicted felon before sentencing. I suggest this distinction between “convicted” and “guilty but not yet sentenced” is against any common usage, and might even be difficult to track down to any agreed upon source of truth.

At this point in time the case is still active. The jury has voted to convict but it is not technically finished until sentencing.

Then we have no common word to describe someone after a jury convicts and before they are sentenced. The suggested common words like “accused” would all imply that the trial hasn’t happened yet. So we would sacrifice clarity if we cared about this distinction.

[Jolly]

In a country that no longer cares about justice or equal protection under the law, semantics are such a trivial thing...

[Mik]

It's a distinction without a difference. How many felons can dance on the head of a pin.

[George K]

@Mik said in Character counts:

It's a distinction without a difference.

[Doctor Phibes]

Is somebody considered a wanker before they actually finish?

How many wankers can dance on the head of....er, never mind.