SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity
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So if Joe officially commands a Seal Team to assassinate, say for example, Donald, because he honestly deems him a threat to the Country, does he now have immunity for that assassination?
wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 16:41 last edited by@AndyD said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
does he now have immunity for that assassination?
I don't know about president Biden, but certainly president Obama would have immunity.
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I think the net effect of this ruling (which was 6-3 along tribal lines, again) will be to reduce frivolous politically motivated lawfare against sitting presidents. This ruling will come in very handy for both parties, I am sure. The public is going to want all the lawfare it can get, and it'll be nice to nip all that nonsense in the bud.
wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 16:49 last edited by@Horace said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
I think the net effect of this ruling (which was 6-3 along tribal lines, again) will be to reduce frivolous politically motivated lawfare against sitting presidents. This ruling will come in very handy for both parties, I am sure. The public is going to want all the lawfare it can get, and it'll be nice to nip all that nonsense in the bud.
Amen.
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Smith just needs to fold his tent...I think 3/4 of his case is now dead.
And it should be. A mechanism exists for removing Presidents. Lawfare hamstrings governance. Do what the Constitution says.
wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 17:24 last edited by@Jolly said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
Smith just needs to fold his tent.
Thomas, in his comments, said that the appointment of Smith is illegal.
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@Jolly said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
Smith just needs to fold his tent.
Thomas, in his comments, said that the appointment of Smith is illegal.
wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 19:04 last edited by@George-K said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
@Jolly said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
Smith just needs to fold his tent.
Thomas, in his comments, said that the appointment of Smith is illegal.
A beam of light in the darkness.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 20:34 last edited by
What will Team Biden do with this new immunity?
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 20:37 last edited by
@Axtremus said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
What will Team Biden do with this new immunity?
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 20:44 last edited by
So long Mr. Trump.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 20:48 last edited by
Hyper-hyperbole.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 20:48 last edited by
That will be a very common reaction to this ruling amongst the TDS rabble. But they don't actually understand the ruling.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 20:57 last edited by
There's no real immunity IF there is consensus in Congress. As it was intended.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 21:05 last edited by
The way I read it, the first threshold to prosecute a president will be to establish that the act was outside his core responsibilities as president. I don't think a president's core responsibilities include assassination of political opponents, but I know the TDS rabble can easily frame it like the protection of the US, and therefore within those responsibilities. Luckily, SCOTUS decisions are not internet arguments. I'm comfortable with how SCOTUS would rule on the issue.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 21:12 last edited by
Yes, I'd agree on that. They have demonstrated remarkable good sense thus far.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 23:07 last edited by
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wrote on 2 Jul 2024, 00:05 last edited by
The ridiculous thing is that today’s ruling only reaffirms decisions given by prior courts, including “liberal” courts.
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wrote on 3 Jul 2024, 00:18 last edited by
Im not sure that I agree with this ruling.
I am guess that President Nixon would have not resigned in Watergate for example.
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Im not sure that I agree with this ruling.
I am guess that President Nixon would have not resigned in Watergate for example.
wrote on 3 Jul 2024, 00:44 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
Im not sure that I agree with this ruling.
I am guess that President Nixon would have not resigned in Watergate for example.
He was going to be impeached in a slam dunk. Impeachments are still a thing, even with criminal immunity. That’s yet another reason why this is much ado about nothing.
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Im not sure that I agree with this ruling.
I am guess that President Nixon would have not resigned in Watergate for example.
wrote on 3 Jul 2024, 00:47 last edited by LuFins Dad 7 Mar 2024, 00:48@taiwan_girl said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
Im not sure that I agree with this ruling.
I am guess that President Nixon would have not resigned in Watergate for example.
Then you don’t understand the ruling or are just reading what lies the useful idiots are spreading based on Sotomayor’s dissent.
The ruling DOES NOT give the President anything like blanket immunity. Only immunity on those actions that are strictly taken under the powers of the office and are official acts. Obama ordering a drone strike on an American citizen terrorist? Technically illegal but he’s granted immunity. Biden ordering a drone strike on Trump? Illegal.
In cases where it is clear that the actions weren’t under the powers or authority of the President, there is no immunity. So if it finally came out about Bill killing those trans hookers, he’s SOL.
On the gray area in between it is up to the lower courts to make the call about whether it was in the line of duty.
Trump ordering the Justice Department to investigate all the wacky claims of fraud? Perfectly in his capacity as President. Immune. Trying to convince Pence to not certify? Highly questionable, but not necessarily illegal. Trying to mastermind a fake elector scheme? Totally illegal and not ubder the auspices or powers given the presidency. He will face those charges. Moving documents to Mar A Lago while President? Totally in his capacity. Maintaining those documents afterward? Not legal.
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wrote on 3 Jul 2024, 01:00 last edited by
I am very confident that the more extreme scenarios being conjured by panicked lefties would be found outside the responsibilities of the presidency. One scenario I heard on a legal podcast was a bribe for a pardon. They thought the president would be immune from prosecution for that. But the pardon itself would not be the illegal act. Taking the bribe would be both illegal and not within presidential responsibility.
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wrote on 3 Jul 2024, 01:00 last edited by
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I am very confident that the more extreme scenarios being conjured by panicked lefties would be found outside the responsibilities of the presidency. One scenario I heard on a legal podcast was a bribe for a pardon. They thought the president would be immune from prosecution for that. But the pardon itself would not be the illegal act. Taking the bribe would be both illegal and not within presidential responsibility.
wrote on 3 Jul 2024, 02:35 last edited by@Horace said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:
I am very confident that the more extreme scenarios being conjured by panicked lefties would be found outside the responsibilities of the presidency. One scenario I heard on a legal podcast was a bribe for a pardon. They thought the president would be immune from prosecution for that. But the pardon itself would not be the illegal act. Taking the bribe would be both illegal and not within presidential responsibility.
Exactly.