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SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    This one requires some thought.

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-due-rule-trumps-immunity-bid-blockbuster-case-2024-07-01/

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #2

      Limited Immunity? So it’s another mRNA vaccine?

      The Brad

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      • Doctor PhibesD Online
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        Doctor Phibes
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        #3

        I have a hard time accepting that Trump refusing to accept his election defeat is an official act, but what do I know?

        I was only joking

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #4

          Smith just needs to fold his tent...I think 3/4 of his case is now dead.

          And it should be. A mechanism exists for removing Presidents. Lawfare hamstrings governance. Do what the Constitution says.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            #5

            I think the net effect of this ruling (which was 6-3 along tribal lines, again) will be to reduce frivolous politically motivated lawfare against sitting presidents. This ruling will come in very handy for both parties, I am sure. The public is going to want all the lawfare it can get, and it'll be nice to nip all that nonsense in the bud.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • A Online
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              AndyD
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              #6

              So if Joe officially commands a Seal Team to assassinate, say for example, Donald, because he honestly deems him a threat to the Country, does he now have immunity for that assassination?

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #7

                No. Trump is a U.S. citizen and that would be murder, which is illegal.

                Which is why Barry breathed a sigh of relief this morning. Let this crap stand and Obama could be brought up on murder charges tomorrow.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • A AndyD

                  So if Joe officially commands a Seal Team to assassinate, say for example, Donald, because he honestly deems him a threat to the Country, does he now have immunity for that assassination?

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                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @AndyD said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:

                  So if Joe officially commands a Seal Team to assassinate, say for example, Donald, because he honestly deems him a threat to the Country, does he now have immunity for that assassination?

                  The question of whether an act is or is not within the core responsibilities of a president would be left to the courts.

                  If Trump was leading a violent military style insurrection, I guess it would be within the responsibilities of a president to end that insurrection with violence. That would be one end of a continuum. The opposite end would be to assassinate a peaceful political rival. We will leave it to the courts to determine where on that continuum an act lies.

                  I do understand that the TDS contingent will allow their imaginations to run wild about this ruling, but infants gonna infant.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • A AndyD

                    So if Joe officially commands a Seal Team to assassinate, say for example, Donald, because he honestly deems him a threat to the Country, does he now have immunity for that assassination?

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                    Copper
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                    #9

                    @AndyD said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:

                    does he now have immunity for that assassination?

                    I don't know about president Biden, but certainly president Obama would have immunity.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      I think the net effect of this ruling (which was 6-3 along tribal lines, again) will be to reduce frivolous politically motivated lawfare against sitting presidents. This ruling will come in very handy for both parties, I am sure. The public is going to want all the lawfare it can get, and it'll be nice to nip all that nonsense in the bud.

                      MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @Horace said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:

                      I think the net effect of this ruling (which was 6-3 along tribal lines, again) will be to reduce frivolous politically motivated lawfare against sitting presidents. This ruling will come in very handy for both parties, I am sure. The public is going to want all the lawfare it can get, and it'll be nice to nip all that nonsense in the bud.

                      Amen.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        Smith just needs to fold his tent...I think 3/4 of his case is now dead.

                        And it should be. A mechanism exists for removing Presidents. Lawfare hamstrings governance. Do what the Constitution says.

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                        George K
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                        @Jolly said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:

                        Smith just needs to fold his tent.

                        Thomas, in his comments, said that the appointment of Smith is illegal.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Jolly said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:

                          Smith just needs to fold his tent.

                          Thomas, in his comments, said that the appointment of Smith is illegal.

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                          Jolly
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                          @George-K said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:

                          @Jolly said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:

                          Smith just needs to fold his tent.

                          Thomas, in his comments, said that the appointment of Smith is illegal.

                          A beam of light in the darkness.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • AxtremusA Away
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                            Axtremus
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                            What will Team Biden do with this new immunity? 🤔

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              What will Team Biden do with this new immunity? 🤔

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                              George K
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                              @Axtremus said in SCOTUS rules POTUS has limited immunity:

                              What will Team Biden do with this new immunity? 🤔

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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Copper
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                                So long Mr. Trump.

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
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                                  #16

                                  Hyper-hyperbole.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Horace
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                                    #17

                                    That will be a very common reaction to this ruling amongst the TDS rabble. But they don't actually understand the ruling.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
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                                      #18

                                      There's no real immunity IF there is consensus in Congress. As it was intended.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Horace
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                                        The way I read it, the first threshold to prosecute a president will be to establish that the act was outside his core responsibilities as president. I don't think a president's core responsibilities include assassination of political opponents, but I know the TDS rabble can easily frame it like the protection of the US, and therefore within those responsibilities. Luckily, SCOTUS decisions are not internet arguments. I'm comfortable with how SCOTUS would rule on the issue.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
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                                          #20

                                          Yes, I'd agree on that. They have demonstrated remarkable good sense thus far.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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