Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising
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@Jolly said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
@bachophile said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
I thought Mexico was paying
Or have things changed?
In one sense, Mexico has been pretty active in border security after COVID appeared...
Totally the same thing.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
@Jolly said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
@bachophile said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
I thought Mexico was paying
Or have things changed?
In one sense, Mexico has been pretty active in border security after COVID appeared...
Totally the same thing.
Not really, but it is another nail in the coffin. Trump had already been applying pressure and the Mexicans had been making some modest efforts.
In that sense, yes, the Mexicans are helping to pay for the wall, real or virtual.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-real-problem-conservatism-faces-today/
A year old piece but after what we've learned about the NRA and Bannon it's worth revisiting.
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Actually, not that big of a deal. This stuff has always existed and will exist as long as money can influence politics.
It's not unique to either side of the aisle.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Why would he say, "the worst thing is to be arrested on a Chinese billionaire's yacht." ?
That's exactly where I would like to be, when I'm finally arrested. Better than being arrested in a homeless shelter or something.
These people don't make sense, they just don't know what it takes to be rich.
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Actually, not that big of a deal. This stuff has always existed and will exist as long as money can influence politics.
It's not unique to either side of the aisle.
@Jolly said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
Actually, not that big of a deal. This stuff has always existed and will exist as long as money can influence politics.
It's not unique to either side of the aisle.
It's not exactly swamp-draining, though, is it?
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@Jolly said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
Actually, not that big of a deal. This stuff has always existed and will exist as long as money can influence politics.
It's not unique to either side of the aisle.
It's not exactly swamp-draining, though, is it?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
@Jolly said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
Actually, not that big of a deal. This stuff has always existed and will exist as long as money can influence politics.
It's not unique to either side of the aisle.
It's not exactly swamp-draining, though, is it?
Bannon got the boot, remember?
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After a few weeks of cajoling by Kelly. Trump agreed only when he undercut his North Korea position in an interview.
Trump doesn’t have a good record of draining swamp dwellers as long as they remain loyal to him.
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After a few weeks of cajoling by Kelly. Trump agreed only when he undercut his North Korea position in an interview.
Trump doesn’t have a good record of draining swamp dwellers as long as they remain loyal to him.
@jon-nyc said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
After a few weeks of cajoling by Kelly. Trump agreed only when he undercut his North Korea position in an interview.
Trump doesn’t have a good record of draining swamp dwellers as long as they remain loyal to him.
Oh yes, let's qualify it, shall we?
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Bringing in a swamp guy and then firing him isn't really draining.
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Bringing in a swamp guy and then firing him isn't really draining.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
Bringing in a swamp guy and then firing him isn't really draining.
Says the person supporting the "Ultimate Swamp Creature" for president.
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Could you point to a post where I expressed support for Biden?
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Could you point to a post where I expressed support for Biden?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
Could you point to a post where I expressed support for Biden?
Can you point to a political post where you have not expressed disdain for Trump?
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You lost the argument about Trump draining the swamp, so you deflect onto the other guy.
Whether or not Donald Trump has drained the swamp has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
He hired Steve Bannon, a guy who even looks like a freaking troll, and then he fires him when he realises he's a complete twat, and this is swamp draining?
I was only joking
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I apologize if this was answered and missed the answer, but what does draining the swamp mean?
My "interpretation" is that people talk about it as if it means getting rid of long time political people in Washington DC.
Is this correct or is there another meaning?
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You lost the argument about Trump draining the swamp, so you deflect onto the other guy.
Whether or not Donald Trump has drained the swamp has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
He hired Steve Bannon, a guy who even looks like a freaking troll, and then he fires him when he realises he's a complete twat, and this is swamp draining?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
You lost the argument about Trump draining the swamp, so you deflect onto the other guy.
Whether or not Donald Trump has drained the swamp has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
He hired Steve Bannon, a guy who even looks like a freaking troll, and then he fires him when he realises he's a complete twat, and this is swamp draining?
Under Trump, the Federal workforce has only risen a little over 0.2%, one of the slowest increases in many years. Some departments have less people now, than when he took office. Foggy Bottom has lost over 2000 employees. The VA has had multiple changes. Education has lost employees. Most of the employee gains have been in the SBA.
Some of the record is mixed. Part of the reason the Russian Hoax gained the traction it did, was because Trump didn't replace some people as fast as he could have. Also, as many have learned before him, sometimes you need bureaucrats to deal with bureaucrats.
Now, please defend anything Biden has ever done to help drain the swamp.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I apologize if this was answered and missed the answer, but what does draining the swamp mean?
My "interpretation" is that people talk about it as if it means getting rid of long time political people in Washington DC.
Is this correct or is there another meaning?
@taiwan_girl said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
I apologize if this was answered and missed the answer, but what does draining the swamp mean?
My "interpretation" is that people talk about it as if it means getting rid of long time political people in Washington DC.
Is this correct or is there another meaning?
It's supposed to mean 'root out corruption'. It seems to have been corrupted to mean 'reduce the number of people in government', which isn't really the intent.
Apparently, Mussolini also used the phrase, so it's not unique to recent times.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
You lost the argument about Trump draining the swamp, so you deflect onto the other guy.
Whether or not Donald Trump has drained the swamp has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
He hired Steve Bannon, a guy who even looks like a freaking troll, and then he fires him when he realises he's a complete twat, and this is swamp draining?
Under Trump, the Federal workforce has only risen a little over 0.2%, one of the slowest increases in many years. Some departments have less people now, than when he took office. Foggy Bottom has lost over 2000 employees. The VA has had multiple changes. Education has lost employees. Most of the employee gains have been in the SBA.
Some of the record is mixed. Part of the reason the Russian Hoax gained the traction it did, was because Trump didn't replace some people as fast as he could have. Also, as many have learned before him, sometimes you need bureaucrats to deal with bureaucrats.
Now, please defend anything Biden has ever done to help drain the swamp.
@Jolly said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
You lost the argument about Trump draining the swamp, so you deflect onto the other guy.
Whether or not Donald Trump has drained the swamp has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
He hired Steve Bannon, a guy who even looks like a freaking troll, and then he fires him when he realises he's a complete twat, and this is swamp draining?
Under Trump, the Federal workforce has only risen a little over 0.2%, one of the slowest increases in many years. Some departments have less people now, than when he took office. Foggy Bottom has lost over 2000 employees. The VA has had multiple changes. Education has lost employees. Most of the employee gains have been in the SBA.
Some of the record is mixed. Part of the reason the Russian Hoax gained the traction it did, was because Trump didn't replace some people as fast as he could have. Also, as many have learned before him, sometimes you need bureaucrats to deal with bureaucrats.
Now, please defend anything Biden has ever done to help drain the swamp.
So, he's not drained the swamp at all.
As far as Biden goes, and this election goes, you know when you watch a really great sporting event, and it's so, so close, and both sides have given their all, and fought with honour and distinction, in the most sportsmanlike way possible, and you find yourself thinking 'I wish both sides could win!' - obviously, it's not possible, but still, it's a dream.
In this case, I wish both sides could lose.
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@Jolly said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
You lost the argument about Trump draining the swamp, so you deflect onto the other guy.
Whether or not Donald Trump has drained the swamp has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
He hired Steve Bannon, a guy who even looks like a freaking troll, and then he fires him when he realises he's a complete twat, and this is swamp draining?
Under Trump, the Federal workforce has only risen a little over 0.2%, one of the slowest increases in many years. Some departments have less people now, than when he took office. Foggy Bottom has lost over 2000 employees. The VA has had multiple changes. Education has lost employees. Most of the employee gains have been in the SBA.
Some of the record is mixed. Part of the reason the Russian Hoax gained the traction it did, was because Trump didn't replace some people as fast as he could have. Also, as many have learned before him, sometimes you need bureaucrats to deal with bureaucrats.
Now, please defend anything Biden has ever done to help drain the swamp.
So, he's not drained the swamp at all.
As far as Biden goes, and this election goes, you know when you watch a really great sporting event, and it's so, so close, and both sides have given their all, and fought with honour and distinction, in the most sportsmanlike way possible, and you find yourself thinking 'I wish both sides could win!' - obviously, it's not possible, but still, it's a dream.
In this case, I wish both sides could lose.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
@Jolly said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steve Bannon charged with fraud over wall fundraising:
You lost the argument about Trump draining the swamp, so you deflect onto the other guy.
Whether or not Donald Trump has drained the swamp has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
He hired Steve Bannon, a guy who even looks like a freaking troll, and then he fires him when he realises he's a complete twat, and this is swamp draining?
Under Trump, the Federal workforce has only risen a little over 0.2%, one of the slowest increases in many years. Some departments have less people now, than when he took office. Foggy Bottom has lost over 2000 employees. The VA has had multiple changes. Education has lost employees. Most of the employee gains have been in the SBA.
Some of the record is mixed. Part of the reason the Russian Hoax gained the traction it did, was because Trump didn't replace some people as fast as he could have. Also, as many have learned before him, sometimes you need bureaucrats to deal with bureaucrats.
Now, please defend anything Biden has ever done to help drain the swamp.
So, he's not drained the swamp at all.
As far as Biden goes, and this election goes, you know when you watch a really great sporting event, and it's so, so close, and both sides have given their all, and fought with honour and distinction, in the most sportsmanlike way possible, and you find yourself thinking 'I wish both sides could win!' - obviously, it's not possible, but still, it's a dream.
In this case, I wish both sides could lose.
He has partially drained the Swamp. He has not been totally successful in personnel, but he has made progress. He has made more progress in regulations.
Again, defend Biden, which I notice you are not doing.
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I keep saying I'm not defending Biden, and don't support Biden, and you keep asking me to defend Biden, and I keep saying I'm not defending Biden.
We could be here all day.
