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  • MikM Mik

    @xenon Yep. I was just listening to NPR on my way to haircut. They bemoaned the abandonment of long held norms - only by the GOP, of course. Either a complete lack of self-awareness or a deliberate descent into propaganda.

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    George K
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    @Mik said in Rigged:

    They bemoaned the abandonment of long held norms

    Did they bother to explain what those "norms" are?

    Have they talked about how, exactly, Trump is a threat to democracy?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      He literally tried to overturn an election in which he lost, so that he could stay in power.

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        #23

        I agree with 89 on a broader point - Trump just doesn't get what America is and how it's able to work. I think he has excellent instincts on what it should feel like to be an American.

        That's not enough. He gets into situations that undermine the republic and he's way too self absorbed to care.

        He also brings out the worst in the opposition. That's kind of not his fault - but we should all know better.

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        • 89th8 89th

          He literally tried to overturn an election in which he lost, so that he could stay in power.

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          @89th said in Rigged:

          He literally tried to overturn an election in which he lost, so that he could stay in power.

          He thought he had been cheated and was using every legal means possible to try to beat the cheat.

          Now, stud duck, you tell me what laws he broke? I'd like to hear how Trump was illegally trying to overturn the government...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @89th said in Rigged:

            He literally tried to overturn an election in which he lost, so that he could stay in power.

            He thought he had been cheated and was using every legal means possible to try to beat the cheat.

            Now, stud duck, you tell me what laws he broke? I'd like to hear how Trump was illegally trying to overturn the government...

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            @Jolly love the new avatar. Perfect.

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            • 89th8 89th

              He literally tried to overturn an election in which he lost, so that he could stay in power.

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              @89th said in Rigged:

              He literally tried to overturn an election in which he lost, so that he could stay in power.

              By literally I assume you mean legally.

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              • X xenon

                I agree with 89 on a broader point - Trump just doesn't get what America is and how it's able to work. I think he has excellent instincts on what it should feel like to be an American.

                That's not enough. He gets into situations that undermine the republic and he's way too self absorbed to care.

                He also brings out the worst in the opposition. That's kind of not his fault - but we should all know better.

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                Jolly
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                @xenon said in Rigged:

                I agree with 89 on a broader point - Trump just doesn't get what America is and how it's able to work.

                I think he gets it. Not maybe what it is, but what it should be.

                As for how it works...Trump put more real dollars in American pockets during his first three years in office, than had been done in decades. Low taxes, a friendly business climate, a less intrusive government...That isn't what makes America work better?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Mik

                  @Jolly love the new avatar. Perfect.

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                  @Mik said in Rigged:

                  @Jolly love the new avatar. Perfect.

                  Thank you. Seemed appropriate.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @xenon said in Rigged:

                    I agree with 89 on a broader point - Trump just doesn't get what America is and how it's able to work.

                    I think he gets it. Not maybe what it is, but what it should be.

                    As for how it works...Trump put more real dollars in American pockets during his first three years in office, than had been done in decades. Low taxes, a friendly business climate, a less intrusive government...That isn't what makes America work better?

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                    @Jolly said in Rigged:

                    Trump put more real dollars in American pockets during his first three years in office, than had been done in decades.

                    I thought he was president for four years??

                    (and no, no, no, it is not possible to erase the last year and blame it on COVID. A person is either President or not, and what happens as president you have to take responsibility for it, you cannot only take things that work in your favor. It would be the same if ignoring the first X months of inflation under President Biden because it was created by President Trump. If that is the case, President Biden has done a great job in reducing inflation.)

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                      At the end of his term, it was still a net gain. With the Resident, not so much.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        President Trump beginning of term vs end of term

                        Summary

                        The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

                        The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.

                        Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.7% after inflation.

                        After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.

                        The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.

                        The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.

                        The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.

                        Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.

                        Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.

                        Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.

                        Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.

                        The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.

                        Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.

                        ![alt text](image url)

                        https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

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                          Jolly
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                          Common sense is sometimes a rare commodity. COVID was real and its impact cannot be denied. It's why I give Biden a pass on his first stimulus bill.

                          Reagan's words still echo, "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" .

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            President Trump beginning of term vs end of term

                            Summary

                            The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

                            The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.

                            Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.7% after inflation.

                            After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.

                            The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.

                            The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.

                            The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.

                            Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.

                            Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.

                            Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.

                            Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.

                            The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.

                            Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.

                            ![alt text](image url)

                            https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

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                            @taiwan_girl said in Rigged:

                            https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

                            With a name like factcheck, you know it is all lies.

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Common sense is sometimes a rare commodity. COVID was real and its impact cannot be denied. It's why I give Biden a pass on his first stimulus bill.

                                Reagan's words still echo, "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" .

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                                @Jolly said in Rigged:

                                "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?"

                                June 2020? Yeah, probably better off now.

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                                  Unusual.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Agree 100%. But..... if you (as president) are going to claim credit for things that occured during your term which had little to do with your policies, then you have to take the blame for things also.

                                    The same arguement could be said that the foundation of the economic problems were in place when President Biden became president are resulting in the economic problems we are having now.

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      Agree 100%. But..... if you (as president) are going to claim credit for things that occured during your term which had little to do with your policies, then you have to take the blame for things also.

                                      The same arguement could be said that the foundation of the economic problems were in place when President Biden became president are resulting in the economic problems we are having now.

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                                      @taiwan_girl said in Rigged:

                                      Agree 100%. But..... if you (as president) are going to claim credit for things that occured during your term which had little to do with your policies, then you have to take the blame for things also.

                                      The same arguement could be said that the foundation of the economic problems were in place when President Biden became president are resulting in the economic problems we are having now.

                                      I reject your argument.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        @Mik

                                        Hunter is being prosecuted, Gislaine Maxwell is doing 20 years.

                                        What law did Fauci break?

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          Oh FFS, Jon, it’s a meme.

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