Invasion of Taiwan?
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I've read that TSMC has a "kill switch" on their production lines should this break out.
@George-K said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
I've read that TSMC has a "kill switch" on their production lines should this break out.
Yes, interesting. I heard that from Taiwan sources also. Although there are of course other reasons, but one reason TSMC is looking to build their mega factory in AZ in the US because of wanting to diversify from production only in Taiwan because of Chinese invasion fears.
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I think the Chinese "underestimate" the difficulty of invading and maybe more important, holding Taiwan. Yes, for sure from a military standpoint, they could do a lot of damage.
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But, like in a video game, defending your homeland is worth XX% boost in power and defense capabilities. I know that Vietnam, Afgahistan, etc. are apples vs oranges when comparing to Taiwan, but I think that China would experience the same thing.
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Kind of like Russia, I think that popular opinion in the country would decrease quickly once their son is coming home injured or dead. With most families now having only one son, the loss of this child basically stops the family bloodline.
Lots of people in Taiwan have ties to mainland China, but the reverse is not true. Fighting for something that is not a passion decreases the effectiveness of the fighting. Yes, the propaganda department in mainland China is trying to rally people for this, but for most people, I dont believe that it is a big issue
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Taiwan is not an easy country to fight in. Like Korea, it is very much covered with mountains. The western 1/3 is pretty flat, but the rest is very mountains. "Guerilla" war would continue.
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China is having economic problems. A war with Taiwan would "temporarily" take attention from these problems, but the fallout from an invasion would only increase the economic problems. Companies are already looking for alternative places for manufacturing, and this would only increase that happening. While I do not think that the US would get directly involved, I think there would be a significant amount of support.
@taiwan_girl said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
I think the Chinese "underestimate" the difficulty of invading and maybe more important, holding Taiwan. Yes, for sure from a military standpoint, they could do a lot of damage.
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But, like in a video game, defending your homeland is worth XX% boost in power and defense capabilities. I know that Vietnam, Afgahistan, etc. are apples vs oranges when comparing to Taiwan, but I think that China would experience the same thing.
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Kind of like Russia, I think that popular opinion in the country would decrease quickly once their son is coming home injured or dead. With most families now having only one son, the loss of this child basically stops the family bloodline.
Lots of people in Taiwan have ties to mainland China, but the reverse is not true. Fighting for something that is not a passion decreases the effectiveness of the fighting. Yes, the propaganda department in mainland China is trying to rally people for this, but for most people, I dont believe that it is a big issue
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Taiwan is not an easy country to fight in. Like Korea, it is very much covered with mountains. The western 1/3 is pretty flat, but the rest is very mountains. "Guerilla" war would continue.
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China is having economic problems. A war with Taiwan would "temporarily" take attention from these problems, but the fallout from an invasion would only increase the economic problems. Companies are already looking for alternative places for manufacturing, and this would only increase that happening. While I do not think that the US would get directly involved, I think there would be a significant amount of support.
The Chinese don't give a fig about war atrocities or world opinion once the invasion starts. They will pacify Taiwan by whatever means necessary, including mass executions, hostages, starvation, etc.
These guys are going to be in it to win it, and simply will do what it takes.
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It seems to me that China can't survive without global trade, and that both the US and EU would cease doing business with them. That would be a massive hit.
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@xenon @Doctor-Phibes Agree. In an invasion, I think that there would soon be a internal (inside China) uprising against the invasion.
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It seems to me that China can't survive without global trade, and that both the US and EU would cease doing business with them. That would be a massive hit.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
It seems to me that China can't survive without global trade, and that both the US and EU would cease doing business with them. That would be a massive hit.
I honestly don't think we could afford to completely stop doing business with them in the short run... but it would trend in that direction. It'd be a calamity on all sides... and for what?
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I agree with @taiwan_girl and @Doctor-Phibes I think they will test the resolve of Taiwan and the rest of the world, but not fully commit.
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@taiwan_girl said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
I think the Chinese "underestimate" the difficulty of invading and maybe more important, holding Taiwan. Yes, for sure from a military standpoint, they could do a lot of damage.
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But, like in a video game, defending your homeland is worth XX% boost in power and defense capabilities. I know that Vietnam, Afgahistan, etc. are apples vs oranges when comparing to Taiwan, but I think that China would experience the same thing.
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Kind of like Russia, I think that popular opinion in the country would decrease quickly once their son is coming home injured or dead. With most families now having only one son, the loss of this child basically stops the family bloodline.
Lots of people in Taiwan have ties to mainland China, but the reverse is not true. Fighting for something that is not a passion decreases the effectiveness of the fighting. Yes, the propaganda department in mainland China is trying to rally people for this, but for most people, I dont believe that it is a big issue
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Taiwan is not an easy country to fight in. Like Korea, it is very much covered with mountains. The western 1/3 is pretty flat, but the rest is very mountains. "Guerilla" war would continue.
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China is having economic problems. A war with Taiwan would "temporarily" take attention from these problems, but the fallout from an invasion would only increase the economic problems. Companies are already looking for alternative places for manufacturing, and this would only increase that happening. While I do not think that the US would get directly involved, I think there would be a significant amount of support.
The Chinese don't give a fig about war atrocities or world opinion once the invasion starts. They will pacify Taiwan by whatever means necessary, including mass executions, hostages, starvation, etc.
These guys are going to be in it to win it, and simply will do what it takes.
@Jolly said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
These guys are going to be in it to win it, and simply will do what it takes.
So when they are done, there is nothing left to protest about.
I'm assuming this is just a real estate deal, and they don't care about the people.
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@Jolly said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
These guys are going to be in it to win it, and simply will do what it takes.
So when they are done, there is nothing left to protest about.
I'm assuming this is just a real estate deal, and they don't care about the people.
@Copper said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
@Jolly said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
These guys are going to be in it to win it, and simply will do what it takes.
So when they are done, there is nothing left to protest about.
I'm assuming this is just a real estate deal, and they don't care about the people.
That's the way I look at it.
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@xenon @Doctor-Phibes Agree. In an invasion, I think that there would soon be a internal (inside China) uprising against the invasion.
@taiwan_girl said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
@xenon @Doctor-Phibes Agree. In an invasion, I think that there would soon be a internal (inside China) uprising against the invasion.
The dead don't protest.
It would have to be a massive uprising to succeed.
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@taiwan_girl said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
@xenon @Doctor-Phibes Agree. In an invasion, I think that there would soon be a internal (inside China) uprising against the invasion.
The dead don't protest.
It would have to be a massive uprising to succeed.
@Jolly said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
It would have to be a massive uprising to succeed.
That hasn't worked out too well in the past, has it?
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@Jolly said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
It would have to be a massive uprising to succeed.
That hasn't worked out too well in the past, has it?
@George-K said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
@Jolly said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
It would have to be a massive uprising to succeed.
That hasn't worked out too well in the past, has it?
Dunno. Many accounts say tank man was executed. A few reports say he was able to escape to Taiwan ( I kinda doubt it).
Most Chinese know nothing or very little about him. Or about the protests.
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Source says China will invade Taiwan in early June.
Because they want it to be over before Mr. Trump arrives.
@Copper said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
Source says China will invade Taiwan in early June.
Because they want it to be over before Mr. Trump arrives.
This confirms my theory that almost every thread here supposedly about a foreign country is actually about American politics.
Because nothing else matters.
I was only joking
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@Copper said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
Source says China will invade Taiwan in early June.
Because they want it to be over before Mr. Trump arrives.
This confirms my theory that almost every thread here supposedly about a foreign country is actually about American politics.
Because nothing else matters.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
This confirms my theory that almost every thread here supposedly about a foreign country is actually about American politics.
Because nothing else matters.
It’s the American Way.
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@Copper said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
Source says China will invade Taiwan in early June.
Because they want it to be over before Mr. Trump arrives.
This confirms my theory that almost every thread here supposedly about a foreign country is actually about American politics.
Because nothing else matters.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Invasion of Taiwan?:
Because nothing else matters.
What else is even close to mattering?
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If mainland China invades Taiwan, it may face a large, lethal drone force meant to make its military “miserable”.
At least that’s the plan, according to the top US admiral in the Pacific, who said the “Hellscape” strategy is designed to distract China and buy the United States time to respond.
“I want to turn the Taiwan Strait into an unmanned hellscape using a number of classified capabilities,” Admiral Samuel Paparo, the commander of US Indo-Pacific Command, told The Washington Post at the International Institute for Strategic Studies’ Shangri-La Dialogue Summit.
In doing so, he said: “I can make their lives utterly miserable for a month, which buys me the time for the rest of everything.”
The plan involves launching thousands of unmanned systems, from surface vessels and submarines to aerial drones, to fight Chinese invading forces as soon as they begin to cross the Taiwan Strait, effectively acting as a kind of first line of defence.
Below is a picture of a drone boat that Taiwan has developed.
...20-ton robot vessel that's 55-feet-long, 12-feet-wide, and with a draft of about 3 feet. "The vessel's top speed exceeds 30 knots (55.56 km/h), and it can cover a range of over 300 miles (555.6 km) with a fuel capacity of 1,300 liters,"
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https://apnews.com/article/trump-taiwan-chips-invasion-china-910e7a94b19248fc75e5d1ab6b0a34d8
Former President Donald Trump demanded the self-governed island of Taiwan pay for U.S. protection, dodged the question of whether he would defend the island from Beijing’s military action and accused the island of taking the computer chip industry away from the United States.
“Taiwan should pay us for defense,” the Republican presidential candidate said in an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek. ...
