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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #6

    Bannon’s problem was he simply blew off the request. Ignored it.

    Had he come to Congress and simply claimed executive privilege for not answering questions he wouldn’t be spending the summer in jail.

    On the bright side, he’ll be better dressed for a spell.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @89th said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

      Jolly, I figured you'd be against the weaponization of Congress. I know the Republicans did this as an election year tactic in 2012 to Holder... which later amounted to nothing since Obama claimed executive privilege and later an investigation cleared Holder of wrongdoing. 12 years later... same song, same dance?

      Navarro is sitting in jail. Bannon is on his way.

      Now tell me, who held them in Contempt of Congress and who prosecuted them?

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      @Jolly said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

      @89th said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

      Jolly, I figured you'd be against the weaponization of Congress. I know the Republicans did this as an election year tactic in 2012 to Holder... which later amounted to nothing since Obama claimed executive privilege and later an investigation cleared Holder of wrongdoing. 12 years later... same song, same dance?

      Navarro is sitting in jail. Bannon is on his way.

      Now tell me, who held them in Contempt of Congress and who prosecuted them?

      Oh I was referring to AGs, to George's question. It looks like the Democrats did that to Navarro and Bannon, who I guess preferred the jail sentence to the alternative of speaking under oath. I am confident you disagree with Congress's contempt finding of Navarro and Bannon just as you'd disagree with finding Garland in contempt.

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        I disagree with selective prosecution.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • 89th8 89th

          Jolly, I figured you'd be against the weaponization of Congress. I know the Republicans did this as an election year tactic in 2012 to Holder... which later amounted to nothing since Obama claimed executive privilege and later an investigation cleared Holder of wrongdoing. 12 years later... same song, same dance?

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          George K
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          #9

          @89th said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

          Obama claimed executive privilege and later an investigation cleared Holder of wrongdoing. 12 years later... same song, same dance?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #10

            Garland is held in contempt of Congress.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Offline
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              #11

              They never seem to understand the two edged sword. The problem is we keep electing these snakes.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                They never seem to understand the two edged sword. The problem is we keep electing these snakes.

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                George K
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                @Mik said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                They never seem to understand the two edged sword. The problem is we keep electing these snakes.

                That's right. Holder and Barr were held in contempt.

                The problem I have with it is that some, like Navarro and Bannon, get sent to jail while others don't.

                Holding the AG in contempt is a clown side show. It's a political gesture rather than enforcement of law.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  #13

                  The difference is they were private citizens claiming executive privilege. Seems weaker than an actual executive branch official claiming it.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • George KG George K

                    @89th said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                    Obama claimed executive privilege and later an investigation cleared Holder of wrongdoing. 12 years later... same song, same dance?

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                    @George-K said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                    Any more transparently political than the request for the audio?

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @George-K said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                      Any more transparently political than the request for the audio?

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                      @jon-nyc said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                      Any more transparently political than the request for the audio?

                      The audio is damaging.

                      GOP: We want to damage you.

                      Dems: We don't want you to see how addled our man is. It might damage us.

                      Tough call.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #16

                        They already have the transcript. Surely that’s all one needs for oversight.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          They already have the transcript. Surely that’s all one needs for oversight.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                          They already have the transcript. Surely that’s all one needs for oversight.

                          Yes, that's true.

                          But the "My Cousin Vinnie" approach might be important.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Assuming they trust the transcript is accurate and complete.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Assuming they trust the transcript is accurate and complete.

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                              @Mik said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                              Assuming they trust the transcript is accurate and complete.

                              Why wouldn't they....

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Mik said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                                Assuming they trust the transcript is accurate and complete.

                                Why wouldn't they....

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                                jon-nyc
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                                @George-K said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                                @Mik said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                                Assuming they trust the transcript is accurate and complete.

                                Why wouldn't they....

                                They don’t trust Donald Trump appointees? They figure clerks to Chief Justice Renquist are secret libtards?

                                Or do they not really think at all but just buy into the maga victimhood narrative sold to them by maga media?

                                It’s all so complicated.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Do you?

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @George-K said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                                    @Mik said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                                    Assuming they trust the transcript is accurate and complete.

                                    Why wouldn't they....

                                    They don’t trust Donald Trump appointees? They figure clerks to Chief Justice Renquist are secret libtards?

                                    Or do they not really think at all but just buy into the maga victimhood narrative sold to them by maga media?

                                    It’s all so complicated.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                                    They don’t trust Donald Trump appointees? They figure clerks to Chief Justice Renquist are secret libtards?

                                    "Trump appointees" has been mentioned several times.

                                    Does it really matter? Does a judge, once sitting on the bench feel that s/he "owes" something to the person who appointed him/her? Yeah, there's obvious differences in philosophy, but will a judge/justcie toe the ideological line?

                                    We saw, not too long ago, how SCOTUS is probably 3-3-3.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      #23

                                      He’s not a judge. The special counsel who interviewed Biden is a life long republican and FedSoc member who clerked for Renquist and decades later was appointed AUSA by Trump.

                                      Yeah, I think he would never edit a transcript to make Biden look good, nor would it be possible given how many people were present then.

                                      Besides, the transcript doesn’t make him look good.

                                      All the non-falsifiable conspiracy theories are getting tiring.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        He’s not a judge. The special counsel who interviewed Biden is a life long republican and FedSoc member who clerked for Renquist and decades later was appointed AUSA by Trump.

                                        Yeah, I think he would never edit a transcript to make Biden look good, nor would it be possible given how many people were present then.

                                        Besides, the transcript doesn’t make him look good.

                                        All the non-falsifiable conspiracy theories are getting tiring.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Contempt of Congress - Criminal Referral:

                                        I think he would never edit a transcript to make Biden look good

                                        I agree.

                                        Now, the converse of that question is, "What is Garland afraid of? What is in the audio that he doesn't want Congres and the public to hear?" If you say the transcript is accurate, and I have no doubt that it is, why not let Congress compare? Editing a transcript to make Biden look good is not quite the same thing as not releasing an audio to prevent Biden from looking bad.

                                        See My Cousin Vinnie for the difference between transcript and audio.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Audio works better in campaign commercials

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