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    Jolly
    wrote on 16 May 2024, 23:36 last edited by Jolly
    #60

    Yet...Look at the media coverage about the speech. Shucks, look at some of the comments here.

    Do you people not love your wife, your children? Do you not believe that if a woman wished to be a homemaker, that it is not something to be proud of? That a woman who stays home and raised her children is worth less than the career woman?

    What does this say about our priorities as men? As women?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • J Jolly
      16 May 2024, 23:32

      Mr. Butler is a conservative Catholic giving a commencement speech at a Catholic College. Most of the things he spoke about, are positions the Catholic church has held for many years.

      Up above, I posted that speech. I invite you to listen. There are very few things in the speech I disagree with.

      OTOH, another Catholic, a much more famous one who constantly touts his Catholic faith, brought out one of his administration's people a couple of days ago, who informed the public that if religious based hospitals refused to cut the breasts off little girls or neuter young boys, all Federal (I'm assuming he meant Medicare & Medicaid) funds would be cut off.

      Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off. A guy who isn't particularly famous as compared to stars in the NFL. He was a Carolina 7th round draft pick and didn't make the 53 man squad. He signed with the Chiefs the same year for $509k)yr. Because of his accuracy, he has consistently earned more money. Currently, he has a 89.1% accuracy rate and makes around $4M/yr. That's not big money in the NFL.

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 17 May 2024, 00:54 last edited by Doctor Phibes
      #61

      @Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

      Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off.

      If you read what I actually wrote, I was talking about one specific thing he said regarding two things I almost certainly have more experience of than he does. And I didn't say he was an asshole. You said I was. Not that it matters much. It's assholes all the way down, after all.

      I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth? Who gets to decide which parts of modern medicine are in line with what God wanted after all? The guy who never marries and doesn't have children, apparently.

      It's another debate, but being a devote Catholic doesn't mean you can't say some dumb things. It's always struck me that the prohibition against contraception is ridiculous. I understand the views on abortion, and can sympathise with it if I don't agree with it. But not allowing birth control - seriously? Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.

      I was only joking

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        George K
        wrote on 17 May 2024, 01:26 last edited by
        #62

        Screenshot 2024-05-16 at 8.25.53 PM.png

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • D Doctor Phibes
          17 May 2024, 00:54

          @Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

          Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off.

          If you read what I actually wrote, I was talking about one specific thing he said regarding two things I almost certainly have more experience of than he does. And I didn't say he was an asshole. You said I was. Not that it matters much. It's assholes all the way down, after all.

          I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth? Who gets to decide which parts of modern medicine are in line with what God wanted after all? The guy who never marries and doesn't have children, apparently.

          It's another debate, but being a devote Catholic doesn't mean you can't say some dumb things. It's always struck me that the prohibition against contraception is ridiculous. I understand the views on abortion, and can sympathise with it if I don't agree with it. But not allowing birth control - seriously? Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.

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          George K
          wrote on 17 May 2024, 01:28 last edited by
          #63

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

          Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.

          AP8602873016187301-2147856085.jpg

          Here I go, being unreasonable again.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            17 May 2024, 01:28

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

            Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.

            AP8602873016187301-2147856085.jpg

            Here I go, being unreasonable again.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 17 May 2024, 01:41 last edited by Doctor Phibes
            #64

            @George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

            Here I go, being unreasonable again.

            Coincidentally, I was listening to a history podcast on the drive home tonight on the Papal Dark Ages, also known as the Saeculum Obscurum, or even more entertainingly as the Pornocracy. It's fair to say that the behaviour of the various Bishops of Rome would have put even Mr. Biden's behaviour to shame.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum

            Ah, the good old days before modern liberalism ruined everything.

            I was only joking

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            • G George K
              17 May 2024, 01:26

              Screenshot 2024-05-16 at 8.25.53 PM.png

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 17 May 2024, 01:43 last edited by
              #65

              @George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

              Screenshot 2024-05-16 at 8.25.53 PM.png

              Deja Vu!

              https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/278351

              The Brad

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              • D Doctor Phibes
                17 May 2024, 01:41

                @George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

                Here I go, being unreasonable again.

                Coincidentally, I was listening to a history podcast on the drive home tonight on the Papal Dark Ages, also known as the Saeculum Obscurum, or even more entertainingly as the Pornocracy. It's fair to say that the behaviour of the various Bishops of Rome would have put even Mr. Biden's behaviour to shame.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum

                Ah, the good old days before modern liberalism ruined everything.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 17 May 2024, 01:52 last edited by
                #66

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

                @George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

                Here I go, being unreasonable again.

                Coincidentally, I was listening to a history podcast on the drive home tonight on the Papal Dark Ages, also known as the Saeculum Obscurum, or even more entertainingly as the Pornocracy. It's fair to say that the behaviour of the various Bishops of Rome would have put even Mr. Biden's behaviour to shame.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum

                Ah, the good old days before modern liberalism ruined everything.

                I'm protestant, not Catholic. Throughout time, there have been some pretty sinful things done by people who were supposedly Christian.

                But...The good far outweighs the bad

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • L LuFins Dad
                  17 May 2024, 01:43

                  @George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

                  Screenshot 2024-05-16 at 8.25.53 PM.png

                  Deja Vu!

                  https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/278351

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                  George K
                  wrote on 17 May 2024, 01:59 last edited by
                  #67

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

                  Deja Vu!

                  https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/278351

                  Sigh...

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • G George K
                    17 May 2024, 01:59

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

                    Deja Vu!

                    https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/278351

                    Sigh...

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 17 May 2024, 02:14 last edited by
                    #68

                    @George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

                    Deja Vu!

                    https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/278351

                    Sigh...

                    That’s okay, yours looked better…

                    The Brad

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 17 May 2024, 02:46 last edited by
                      #69

                      Competitive bastards are we. 😆

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 17 May 2024, 02:51 last edited by
                        #70

                        But wait!

                        There's more!

                        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/kansas-city-under-investigation-alleged-human-rights-violations/

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 17 May 2024, 02:59 last edited by
                          #71

                          And more!

                          https://www.foxnews.com/sports/chiefs-harrison-butker-jersey-ranked-among-nfls-best-sellers-amid-kickers-faith-based-commencement-address

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • H Horace
                            16 May 2024, 19:22

                            It’s my understanding that life begins when you retire, the kids move out, and the dogs die.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 17 May 2024, 04:28 last edited by Renauda
                            #72

                            @Horace said in Butker calls it out.:

                            It’s my understanding that life begins when you retire, the kids move out, and the dogs die.

                            Some seniors get another dog. Others, an aquarium.

                            Elbows up!

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                              George K
                              wrote on 17 May 2024, 12:20 last edited by
                              #73

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • G George K
                                17 May 2024, 12:20

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 17 May 2024, 12:37 last edited by
                                #74

                                @George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

                                Yep, I had linked to a story about this, but you've got the actual tweet. And that is the city's account.

                                This should be a very short investigation.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • D Doctor Phibes
                                  17 May 2024, 00:54

                                  @Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

                                  Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off.

                                  If you read what I actually wrote, I was talking about one specific thing he said regarding two things I almost certainly have more experience of than he does. And I didn't say he was an asshole. You said I was. Not that it matters much. It's assholes all the way down, after all.

                                  I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth? Who gets to decide which parts of modern medicine are in line with what God wanted after all? The guy who never marries and doesn't have children, apparently.

                                  It's another debate, but being a devote Catholic doesn't mean you can't say some dumb things. It's always struck me that the prohibition against contraception is ridiculous. I understand the views on abortion, and can sympathise with it if I don't agree with it. But not allowing birth control - seriously? Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 17 May 2024, 12:46 last edited by
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                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

                                  I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth?

                                  Because your argument is specious. Since Christianity considers life as created by God, it is important to conserve and nurture it with the tools he gives us. C-sections preserve lives - those of the mother and those of the baby.

                                  Would you argue that Catholics are not interested and do not spend large amounts of money on healthcare? That they let people die from conditions where surgical intervention leads to positive outcomes?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    17 May 2024, 12:46

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

                                    I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth?

                                    Because your argument is specious. Since Christianity considers life as created by God, it is important to conserve and nurture it with the tools he gives us. C-sections preserve lives - those of the mother and those of the baby.

                                    Would you argue that Catholics are not interested and do not spend large amounts of money on healthcare? That they let people die from conditions where surgical intervention leads to positive outcomes?

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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on 17 May 2024, 12:58 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                    #76

                                    @Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

                                    I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth?

                                    Because your argument is specious. Since Christianity considers life as created by God, it is important to conserve and nurture it with the tools he gives us. C-sections preserve lives - those of the mother and those of the baby.

                                    Would you argue that Catholics are not interested and do not spend large amounts of money on healthcare? That they let people die from conditions where surgical intervention leads to positive outcomes?

                                    I think you may have missed my point.

                                    If life is created by God, then the baby that is born using IVF or surrogacy is also created by God. Who are we to tell people they can't do this? If you say because it's not natural, then neither is caesarian section. Obviously, the second case is bollocks, both of my children were born by c-section. So why deny people life created using other technological means? "Loss of dignity" - seriously? There was no loss of dignity in the case I knew of, and now there's a teenage boy who wouldn't be here if it wasn't for surrogacy. Any 'chaos' created by his existence is roughly equivalent to that created by any other teenage boy.

                                    Yes, I get the fact that he's a devout Roman Catholic, but religious doctrine isn't a better reason for telling people what to do than any other doctrine if what you're telling them doesn't make sense.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • L LuFins Dad
                                      16 May 2024, 19:25

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

                                      @Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

                                      How about this one:

                                      At its core, feminism is the belief that women deserve equal social, economic, and political rights and freedoms.

                                      I agree with that. But he was the one who said it. But if she did say, I still think its weird.

                                      What if one of your kids said, "Before I got married. No wait, even though i was married but didnt have kids, my life was nothing."

                                      "So, the time you spent growing up with loving parents, the wisdom they gave you, the nurturing, etc. means nothing to you?"

                                      "Correct. My life did not begin until I was married and had kids"

                                      🙄

                                      Again, you are missing the word vocation.

                                      Vocation:

                                      1. aparticular occupation, business, or profession; calling.
                                        Synonyms: pursuit, employment

                                      2. a strong impulse or inclination to follow a particular activity or career.
                                        a divine call to God's service or to the Christian life.

                                      3. a function or station in life to which one is called by God:
                                        the religious vocation; the vocation of marriage.

                                      https://www.dictionary.com/browse/vocation

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on 17 May 2024, 13:54 last edited by
                                      #77

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

                                      @Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

                                      How about this one:

                                      At its core, feminism is the belief that women deserve equal social, economic, and political rights and freedoms.

                                      I agree with that. But he was the one who said it. But if she did say, I still think its weird.

                                      What if one of your kids said, "Before I got married. No wait, even though i was married but didnt have kids, my life was nothing."

                                      "So, the time you spent growing up with loving parents, the wisdom they gave you, the nurturing, etc. means nothing to you?"

                                      "Correct. My life did not begin until I was married and had kids"

                                      🙄

                                      Again, you are missing the word vocation.

                                      Vocation:

                                      1. aparticular occupation, business, or profession; calling.
                                        Synonyms: pursuit, employment

                                      2. a strong impulse or inclination to follow a particular activity or career.
                                        a divine call to God's service or to the Christian life.

                                      3. a function or station in life to which one is called by God:
                                        the religious vocation; the vocation of marriage.

                                      https://www.dictionary.com/browse/vocation

                                      I honestly dont see what I am missing in my analysis.

                                      He says:

                                      I can tell you that my beautiful wife Isabelle would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.

                                      What does that say about her life before? Maybe there is some "subtle" english language meaning I am missing.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 17 May 2024, 14:14 last edited by Mik
                                        #78

                                        No, there's nothing to miss. She values her role as wife and mother. It doesn't have to mean anything about her life up until then, just that she has found what is for her real meaning in her life.

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

                                        taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply 17 May 2024, 14:23
                                        • M Mik
                                          17 May 2024, 14:14

                                          No, there's nothing to miss. She values her role as wife and mother. It doesn't have to mean anything about her life up until then, just that she has found what is for her real meaning in her life.

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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote on 17 May 2024, 14:23 last edited by
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                                          @Mik It seems there is some subtle in the language. If your analysis is correct, I would have said some thing like

                                          "My wife would be the first to say that her life became more fulfilling when she began............"

                                          To say "that her life truly started when..............." seems to diminish what happened before.

                                          (Again, sounds like a bit of subtle in the English language that I am missing)

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