Butker calls it out.
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The NFL responded "his views are not those of the NFL as an organization".
This is the same NFL who promoted a black man raised by a loving white family, as he refused to stand for the national anthem, because of racism. Racism in a league where 54% of the players are black. A player do bad he couldn't beat out Blaine Gabbert for a starting job.
The same NFL with a significant number of players with out-of-wedlock children, often by multiple women.
The same NFL who suffers from a never ending series of reports and arrests for domestic violence.
By the way some of you have pilloried Mr. Butler for venerating women as wives and mothers, I suppose you are much more comfortable when NFL players beat the hell out of women.
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I found a great deal of truth in what he said. He didn’t say don’t have a career, just that the priority for most people is family. You can twist it and I’ve heard the graduates whine of how he told them that’s all they are good for which is completely untrue. And he’s spot on that we are no longer an ordered society.
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Mr. Butler is a conservative Catholic giving a commencement speech at a Catholic College. Most of the things he spoke about, are positions the Catholic church has held for many years.
Up above, I posted that speech. I invite you to listen. There are very few things in the speech I disagree with.
OTOH, another Catholic, a much more famous one who constantly touts his Catholic faith, brought out one of his administration's people a couple of days ago, who informed the public that if religious based hospitals refused to cut the breasts off little girls or neuter young boys, all Federal (I'm assuming he meant Medicare & Medicaid) funds would be cut off.
Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off. A guy who isn't particularly famous as compared to stars in the NFL. He was a Carolina 7th round draft pick and didn't make the 53 man squad. He signed with the Chiefs the same year for $509k)yr. Because of his accuracy, he has consistently earned more money. Currently, he has a 89.1% accuracy rate and makes around $4M/yr. That's not big money in the NFL.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Yet...Look at the media coverage about the speech. Shucks, look at some of the comments here.
Do you people not love your wife, your children? Do you not believe that if a woman wished to be a homemaker, that it is not something to be proud of? That a woman who stays home and raised her children is worth less than the career woman?
What does this say about our priorities as men? As women?
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Mr. Butler is a conservative Catholic giving a commencement speech at a Catholic College. Most of the things he spoke about, are positions the Catholic church has held for many years.
Up above, I posted that speech. I invite you to listen. There are very few things in the speech I disagree with.
OTOH, another Catholic, a much more famous one who constantly touts his Catholic faith, brought out one of his administration's people a couple of days ago, who informed the public that if religious based hospitals refused to cut the breasts off little girls or neuter young boys, all Federal (I'm assuming he meant Medicare & Medicaid) funds would be cut off.
Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off. A guy who isn't particularly famous as compared to stars in the NFL. He was a Carolina 7th round draft pick and didn't make the 53 man squad. He signed with the Chiefs the same year for $509k)yr. Because of his accuracy, he has consistently earned more money. Currently, he has a 89.1% accuracy rate and makes around $4M/yr. That's not big money in the NFL.
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off.
If you read what I actually wrote, I was talking about one specific thing he said regarding two things I almost certainly have more experience of than he does. And I didn't say he was an asshole. You said I was. Not that it matters much. It's assholes all the way down, after all.
I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth? Who gets to decide which parts of modern medicine are in line with what God wanted after all? The guy who never marries and doesn't have children, apparently.
It's another debate, but being a devote Catholic doesn't mean you can't say some dumb things. It's always struck me that the prohibition against contraception is ridiculous. I understand the views on abortion, and can sympathise with it if I don't agree with it. But not allowing birth control - seriously? Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.
I was only joking
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@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off.
If you read what I actually wrote, I was talking about one specific thing he said regarding two things I almost certainly have more experience of than he does. And I didn't say he was an asshole. You said I was. Not that it matters much. It's assholes all the way down, after all.
I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth? Who gets to decide which parts of modern medicine are in line with what God wanted after all? The guy who never marries and doesn't have children, apparently.
It's another debate, but being a devote Catholic doesn't mean you can't say some dumb things. It's always struck me that the prohibition against contraception is ridiculous. I understand the views on abortion, and can sympathise with it if I don't agree with it. But not allowing birth control - seriously? Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.
Here I go, being unreasonable again.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.
Here I go, being unreasonable again.
@George-K said in Butker calls it out.:
Here I go, being unreasonable again.
Coincidentally, I was listening to a history podcast on the drive home tonight on the Papal Dark Ages, also known as the Saeculum Obscurum, or even more entertainingly as the Pornocracy. It's fair to say that the behaviour of the various Bishops of Rome would have put even Mr. Biden's behaviour to shame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum
Ah, the good old days before modern liberalism ruined everything.
I was only joking
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@George-K said in Butker calls it out.:
Here I go, being unreasonable again.
Coincidentally, I was listening to a history podcast on the drive home tonight on the Papal Dark Ages, also known as the Saeculum Obscurum, or even more entertainingly as the Pornocracy. It's fair to say that the behaviour of the various Bishops of Rome would have put even Mr. Biden's behaviour to shame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum
Ah, the good old days before modern liberalism ruined everything.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
@George-K said in Butker calls it out.:
Here I go, being unreasonable again.
Coincidentally, I was listening to a history podcast on the drive home tonight on the Papal Dark Ages, also known as the Saeculum Obscurum, or even more entertainingly as the Pornocracy. It's fair to say that the behaviour of the various Bishops of Rome would have put even Mr. Biden's behaviour to shame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum
Ah, the good old days before modern liberalism ruined everything.
I'm protestant, not Catholic. Throughout time, there have been some pretty sinful things done by people who were supposedly Christian.
But...The good far outweighs the bad
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@George-K said in Butker calls it out.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:
Deja Vu!
Sigh...
That’s okay, yours looked better…
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It’s my understanding that life begins when you retire, the kids move out, and the dogs die.
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@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off.
If you read what I actually wrote, I was talking about one specific thing he said regarding two things I almost certainly have more experience of than he does. And I didn't say he was an asshole. You said I was. Not that it matters much. It's assholes all the way down, after all.
I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth? Who gets to decide which parts of modern medicine are in line with what God wanted after all? The guy who never marries and doesn't have children, apparently.
It's another debate, but being a devote Catholic doesn't mean you can't say some dumb things. It's always struck me that the prohibition against contraception is ridiculous. I understand the views on abortion, and can sympathise with it if I don't agree with it. But not allowing birth control - seriously? Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth?
Because your argument is specious. Since Christianity considers life as created by God, it is important to conserve and nurture it with the tools he gives us. C-sections preserve lives - those of the mother and those of the baby.
Would you argue that Catholics are not interested and do not spend large amounts of money on healthcare? That they let people die from conditions where surgical intervention leads to positive outcomes?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth?
Because your argument is specious. Since Christianity considers life as created by God, it is important to conserve and nurture it with the tools he gives us. C-sections preserve lives - those of the mother and those of the baby.
Would you argue that Catholics are not interested and do not spend large amounts of money on healthcare? That they let people die from conditions where surgical intervention leads to positive outcomes?
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth?
Because your argument is specious. Since Christianity considers life as created by God, it is important to conserve and nurture it with the tools he gives us. C-sections preserve lives - those of the mother and those of the baby.
Would you argue that Catholics are not interested and do not spend large amounts of money on healthcare? That they let people die from conditions where surgical intervention leads to positive outcomes?
I think you may have missed my point.
If life is created by God, then the baby that is born using IVF or surrogacy is also created by God. Who are we to tell people they can't do this? If you say because it's not natural, then neither is caesarian section. Obviously, the second case is bollocks, both of my children were born by c-section. So why deny people life created using other technological means? "Loss of dignity" - seriously? There was no loss of dignity in the case I knew of, and now there's a teenage boy who wouldn't be here if it wasn't for surrogacy. Any 'chaos' created by his existence is roughly equivalent to that created by any other teenage boy.
Yes, I get the fact that he's a devout Roman Catholic, but religious doctrine isn't a better reason for telling people what to do than any other doctrine if what you're telling them doesn't make sense.
