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What’s happening at Columbia?

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  • A Axtremus
    1 May 2024, 01:41

    @LuFins-Dad said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

    Isn’t Pro-Palestinian worse than Anti-Israel? I mean, by definition Pro-Palestinian is anti-Israel, then add on pro-inbreeding, pro-spousal rape, pro-killing gays, pro-patriarchal societies, pro-raping and killing civilians…

    I mean, being ProPalestine means being for some really sick shit.

    That's an important question. I have read articles critical of these campus protests use the term "pro-Hamas", which seems like a strawman switcharoo. Not many articles actually report what exactly the protesters protest against. It's possible that different individual protesters protests against different things. (I also haven't look into this detail, frankly I haven't follow this campus protest stuff all that closely.)

    They way you approach this, equating "pro-Palestine" with "pro-[a bunch of other things you do not approve of]," supposedly the same can be applied to "pro-Israel"; e.g., "pro-taking/occupation of land by force," "pro-bombing hospitals," "pro-bombing civilians," "pro-mass displacement of civilians," etc. An approach conducive to neither truth, peace, nor understanding.

    As it is, I am not even sure "pro-Palestine" is an accurate characterization of these campus protests, but I do not object to you using that term for the simple reason that you were responding to the WaPo article that uses that term.

    Maybe some news org will get around to sampling and tabulating the many different things that the protesters are protesting against and create some nice graphics to help visualize the issues being protested.

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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 1 May 2024, 03:35 last edited by
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    @Axtremus said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

    @LuFins-Dad said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

    They way you approach this, equating "pro-Palestine" with "pro-[a bunch of other things you do not approve of]," supposedly the same can be applied to "pro-Israel"; e.g., "pro-taking/occupation of land by force," "pro-bombing hospitals," "pro-bombing civilians," "pro-mass displacement of civilians," etc. An approach conducive to neither truth, peace, nor understanding.

    No, the same cannot be applied. The points that I brought up about Palestine are all completely separate from anything dealing with Israel and any threat the citizens would face from Israel. If Israel didn’t exist, Palestinians would be throwing gays from roofs. They would be subjugating their women. Israel has nothing to do with the rape culture in Palestine. All of the things you try to point out as counters aren’t. Those are National Security decisions. Israel doesn’t bomb hospitals, they attack missile batteries and bases. That the enemy chooses to hide those batteries and bases in hospitals and use schoolchildren as human shields does not reflect badly on Israel, but must purely be blamed on the Palestinians.

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    • J Jolly
      1 May 2024, 02:43

      Wonder if Bragg charges them?

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      George K
      wrote on 1 May 2024, 11:54 last edited by
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      @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

      Wonder if Bragg charges them?

      Andy McCarthy on the arrests and charges:

      "That's all well and good, but the question is: Will Bragg prosecute them? After all, it's not like they falsified their business records or anything ..."

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        George K
        wrote on 1 May 2024, 11:57 last edited by
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        Supposedly, at UCLA a Jewish girl was beaten unconscious.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • G George K
          1 May 2024, 11:57

          Supposedly, at UCLA a Jewish girl was beaten unconscious.

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          Mik
          wrote on 1 May 2024, 11:59 last edited by
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          @George-K that's just swell. Let's bring the war over here.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            George K
            wrote on 1 May 2024, 12:03 last edited by
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            Your terms are acceptable.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • M Mik
              1 May 2024, 11:59

              @George-K that's just swell. Let's bring the war over here.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 1 May 2024, 12:20 last edited by
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              @Mik said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

              @George-K that's just swell. Let's bring the war over here.

              Talk to the Resident. This could have been nipped in the bud, but he wants the votes.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 1 May 2024, 12:25 last edited by
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                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                • G George K
                  1 May 2024, 11:57

                  Supposedly, at UCLA a Jewish girl was beaten unconscious.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 1 May 2024, 12:42 last edited by Jolly 5 Jan 2024, 12:55
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                  @George-K said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                  Supposedly, at UCLA a Jewish girl was beaten unconscious.

                  https://ktla.com/news/local-news/pro-palestinian-encampment-at-ucla-gains-ground-as-demonstrations-rage-on/

                  From what I'm reading, this went on for almost two hours. With no major police presence.

                  Things that make you go hmmm....

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 1 May 2024, 12:54 last edited by
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                    BTW, who is paying the Protest Consultant?

                    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-release-video-showing-professional-protest-consultant-columbia-university

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 1 May 2024, 13:08 last edited by
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                      • J Jolly
                        1 May 2024, 12:54

                        BTW, who is paying the Protest Consultant?

                        https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-release-video-showing-professional-protest-consultant-columbia-university

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                        George K
                        wrote on 1 May 2024, 13:09 last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                        BTW, who is paying the Protest Consultant?

                        https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-release-video-showing-professional-protest-consultant-columbia-university

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Fithian

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • G George K
                          1 May 2024, 13:09

                          @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                          BTW, who is paying the Protest Consultant?

                          https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-release-video-showing-professional-protest-consultant-columbia-university

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Fithian

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 1 May 2024, 13:29 last edited by
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                          @George-K said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                          @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                          BTW, who is paying the Protest Consultant?

                          https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-release-video-showing-professional-protest-consultant-columbia-university

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Fithian

                          That life takes money to live and travel. Where's the money coming from?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            89th
                            wrote on 1 May 2024, 13:52 last edited by
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                            I bet google searches of "how to set up a tent" has gone through the roof

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                              George K
                              wrote on 1 May 2024, 14:16 last edited by
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                              Cry harder:

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                89th
                                wrote on 1 May 2024, 14:24 last edited by
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                                I love it.

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                                • 8 89th
                                  1 May 2024, 13:52

                                  I bet google searches of "how to set up a tent" has gone through the roof

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 1 May 2024, 14:37 last edited by
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                                  @89th said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                  I bet google searches of "how to set up a tent" has gone through the roof

                                  I'm sure these came with instructions. I saw several on their "campground".

                                  https://www.thenorthface.com/en-us/bags-and-gear/gear-c829821/wawona-4-tent-pNF0A52VL?color=Y10

                                  Note the price, although I'm sure they can be found cheaper.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • G George K
                                    1 May 2024, 14:16

                                    Cry harder:

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 1 May 2024, 14:41 last edited by
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                                    @George-K said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                    Cry harder:

                                    Again, I'm all for being fair. Charge and prosecute the students for misdemeanors. If they miss finals, tough cookies.

                                    Charge and prosecute any non-students vigorously. If that also means misdemeanors, so be it. If they are known agitators, throw the book at them.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • J Jolly
                                      1 May 2024, 14:41

                                      @George-K said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                      Cry harder:

                                      Again, I'm all for being fair. Charge and prosecute the students for misdemeanors. If they miss finals, tough cookies.

                                      Charge and prosecute any non-students vigorously. If that also means misdemeanors, so be it. If they are known agitators, throw the book at them.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 1 May 2024, 14:54 last edited by
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                                      @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                      If they are known agitators, throw the book at them.

                                      Do you think Fani has some tips?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 1 May 2024, 15:02 last edited by
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                                        I think that these "protests" will quickly die down now. Two weeks from now, there wont be much left, especially after the semester has ended for most of the schools.

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                                        • G George K
                                          1 May 2024, 14:54

                                          @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                          If they are known agitators, throw the book at them.

                                          Do you think Fani has some tips?

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 1 May 2024, 15:08 last edited by
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                                          @George-K said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                          @Jolly said in What’s happening at Columbia?:

                                          If they are known agitators, throw the book at them.

                                          Do you think Fani has some tips?

                                          Probably has two. Ask Nathan Wade.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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