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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

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    Doctor Phibes
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    #41

    @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

    Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

    You know what else I’ve never done? Hacked a murdered girls phone or taken sleazy photos of celebrities on the beach.

    So morally I’m ahead, profession wise. 😇

    I was only joking

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

      Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

      You know what else I’ve never done? Hacked a murdered girls phone or taken sleazy photos of celebrities on the beach.

      So morally I’m ahead, profession wise. 😇

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      Aqua Letifer
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      #42

      @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

      @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

      Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

      You know what else I’ve never done? Hacked a murdered girls phone or taken sleazy photos of celebrities on the beach.

      So morally I’m ahead, profession wise. 😇

      Don't be peacockin' just yet. Atrocity is one of the last few distribution networks left that we have yet to democratize. Technology's going to make those things a lot more accessible!

      Please love yourself.

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        George K
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        #43

        Screenshot 2024-04-16 at 4.59.38 PM.png

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

          Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

          You know what else I’ve never done? Hacked a murdered girls phone or taken sleazy photos of celebrities on the beach.

          So morally I’m ahead, profession wise. 😇

          Don't be peacockin' just yet. Atrocity is one of the last few distribution networks left that we have yet to democratize. Technology's going to make those things a lot more accessible!

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
          #44

          @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

          Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

          You know what else I’ve never done? Hacked a murdered girls phone or taken sleazy photos of celebrities on the beach.

          So morally I’m ahead, profession wise. 😇

          Don't be peacockin' just yet. Atrocity is one of the last few distribution networks left that we have yet to democratize. Technology's going to make those things a lot more accessible!

          Also, while not a journalist I did work as an intern at the BBC, which is what NPR would be if it could. Whilst very laudable I found them to be a little sanctimonious if I’m honest. They offered me a tech job but I couldn’t face the idea. Way too much sitting around and pandering to artistic types who treated the techs like second class citizens.

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

            Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

            You know what else I’ve never done? Hacked a murdered girls phone or taken sleazy photos of celebrities on the beach.

            So morally I’m ahead, profession wise. 😇

            Don't be peacockin' just yet. Atrocity is one of the last few distribution networks left that we have yet to democratize. Technology's going to make those things a lot more accessible!

            Also, while not a journalist I did work as an intern at the BBC, which is what NPR would be if it could. Whilst very laudable I found them to be a little sanctimonious if I’m honest. They offered me a tech job but I couldn’t face the idea. Way too much sitting around and pandering to artistic types who treated the techs like second class citizens.

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            Aqua Letifer
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            #45

            @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

            Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

            You know what else I’ve never done? Hacked a murdered girls phone or taken sleazy photos of celebrities on the beach.

            So morally I’m ahead, profession wise. 😇

            Don't be peacockin' just yet. Atrocity is one of the last few distribution networks left that we have yet to democratize. Technology's going to make those things a lot more accessible!

            Also, while not a journalist I did work as an intern at the BBC, which is what NPR would be if it could. Whilst very laudable I found them to be a little sanctimonious if I’m honest. They offered me a tech job but I couldn’t face the idea. Way too much sitting around and pandering to artistic types who treated the techs like second class citizens.

            Well, it's the beeb. They're monolithic AF.

            When I worked as a journalist, the hours were beyond shit and the pay was just enough not to have to owe anybody money. But what we did actually mattered. Otherwise no sane person would ever agree to do it.

            Yeah, a lot of 'em are holier-than-thou about their profession. But just about everyone who's holier-than-thou about journalists has never worked as one and I don't find that at all surprising.

            I also don't think we're better off without them. Just about every single complaint or criticism aimed at journalists today aren't actually aimed at journalists. They're aimed at content creators and propagandists because the critics don't know the difference.

            Please love yourself.

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              #46

              What if a journalist is forced to choose between introducing bias, and being complicit in forces that are on the wrong side of history? Isn’t there a moral obligation to participate in the culture war, if the threat is existential?

              Education is extremely important.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                Well there's no thread police, people can and always do contribute where and how they want.

                You know what else I’ve never done? Hacked a murdered girls phone or taken sleazy photos of celebrities on the beach.

                So morally I’m ahead, profession wise. 😇

                Don't be peacockin' just yet. Atrocity is one of the last few distribution networks left that we have yet to democratize. Technology's going to make those things a lot more accessible!

                Also, while not a journalist I did work as an intern at the BBC, which is what NPR would be if it could. Whilst very laudable I found them to be a little sanctimonious if I’m honest. They offered me a tech job but I couldn’t face the idea. Way too much sitting around and pandering to artistic types who treated the techs like second class citizens.

                Well, it's the beeb. They're monolithic AF.

                When I worked as a journalist, the hours were beyond shit and the pay was just enough not to have to owe anybody money. But what we did actually mattered. Otherwise no sane person would ever agree to do it.

                Yeah, a lot of 'em are holier-than-thou about their profession. But just about everyone who's holier-than-thou about journalists has never worked as one and I don't find that at all surprising.

                I also don't think we're better off without them. Just about every single complaint or criticism aimed at journalists today aren't actually aimed at journalists. They're aimed at content creators and propagandists because the critics don't know the difference.

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                Doctor Phibes
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                #47

                @Aqua-Letifer said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                Well, it's the beeb. They're monolithic AF.

                This is OT, but that's not really true. You only see the bit that comes over here. In the UK there's a huge number of local radio stations. I worked for BBC Wales in Cardiff which was very different to the London based outfits, and we'd go out to these little places in the wilds of rural Wales which were really operating as the little local radio stations with a couple of people on a shoestring and reporting on the type of things that bigger operations would never capture or even be interested in.

                I was only joking

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
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                  #48

                  When you've lost USA Today..

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/npr-won-t-admit-its-liberal-bias-it-s-time-to-defund-it/ar-BB1lLHJ8?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=8b154255e35a45f8850d3d66ae1f1a7c&ei=34

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    George K
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                    #49

                    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/uri-berliner-burned-his-bridges-at-npr-then-set-the-house-ablaze/

                    Berliner’s argument is not about bias — NPR’s liberal tilt is structurally unavoidable given the kind of people who want to work there — as much as it is about the complete internal corruption of journalistic ethics. (To wit, his discussion of the Hunter Biden laptop scandal is the ultimate confirmation of priors for suspicious conservatives: “I listened as one of NPR’s best and most fair-minded journalists said it was good we weren’t following the laptop story because it could help Trump.”)

                    The subtext of the piece, however, was clear: “Now that I’ve aired our dirty laundry, I dare you to fire me before I eventually resign.” This was, for all its eloquence, functionally a career-terminating act. The various official responses from NPR, including a defensive rebuttal from NPR’s standards & practices editor and a five-day suspension without pay for “freelancing without permission,” indicate clearly that he is now persona non grata. To be fair, Berliner either certainly expected this or should have. As Phoebe Maltz Bovy aptly asks, “How many jobs are there where you could write a big essay about your beef with your workplace and keep your job?” Berliner was clearly dismayed enough about the situation at NPR that he was prepared to leave, and since as an NPR liberal he is more genteel than Homer Simpson, he chose to burn his bridges publicly and rhetorically, rather than literally.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
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                      #50

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

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                        Aqua Letifer
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                        @George-K said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                        I'm nearly entirely sure that with his Free Press essay, what he thought he was doing was attempting to make NPR better.

                        Please love yourself.

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                          I think he was trying to bring a whiff of ethics to NPR.

                          He failed.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            I think he was trying to bring a whiff of ethics to NPR.

                            He failed.

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                            @Jolly said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                            I think he was trying to bring a whiff of ethics to NPR.

                            He failed.

                            I don't think that came as a surprise to him, either. Last-ditch effort to confirm his decision.

                            Please love yourself.

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              I think he was trying to bring a whiff of ethics to NPR.

                              He failed.

                              MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
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                              #54

                              @Jolly said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                              I think he was trying to bring a whiff of ethics to NPR.

                              He failed.

                              For the moment. from little acorns..

                              I think there is a growing realization of journalism's current status as quite near propaganda, and a thirst for honest coverage.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                I’m sure his exit was planned before writing the letter.

                                They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  I’m sure his exit was planned before writing the letter.

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                                  Aqua Letifer
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                                  @jon-nyc said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                                  I’m sure his exit was planned before writing the letter.

                                  💯

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    He would have to be a mentally ill attention whore on the level of a Dylan Mulvaney to want to work for a place where he'll be hated.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      He would have to be a mentally ill attention whore on the level of a Dylan Mulvaney to want to work for a place where he'll be hated.

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                                      @Horace said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                                      He would have to be a mentally ill attention whore on the level of a Dylan Mulvaney to want to work for a place where he'll be hated.

                                      You should meet my former CEO.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        @Horace said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                                        He would have to be a mentally ill attention whore on the level of a Dylan Mulvaney to want to work for a place where he'll be hated.

                                        You should meet my former CEO.

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                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                                        @Horace said in How NPR lost America's trust:

                                        He would have to be a mentally ill attention whore on the level of a Dylan Mulvaney to want to work for a place where he'll be hated.

                                        You should meet my former CEO.

                                        Sociopathy is a helluva drug.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                          Best exchange of comments

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