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  • HoraceH Horace

    Some of the questions are so absurd in context. The actual discussions I'm involved in at work are technical, maybe talking about aspects of some raw signal data generated from an instrument, and how fluidics or optics or reagents might be causing differences. Then the DEI department wants to know whether "diverse" opinions are encouraged in such conversations. It's all so fucking stupid, and everybody knows it.

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    @Horace said in DEI feedback survey:

    ...and how fluidics...

    I learn a new word every day!

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      George K
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      I wonder how much $$$ your company is reaping by dancing through all these DEI hoops.

      Remember, it's all about the $$$ - or at least all about keeping the $$$.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        #9

        Beware Greeks Washington swamp critters bearing gifts.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          @George-K would love to know that. I could almost guarantee DEI costs the company lots of money. Not only through the actual administration (time and money) spent on DEI personnel and activities but also the decrease in talent. Not because of skin color but because talent is not the hiring priority.

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            Horace
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            #11

            It's an investment in the company's reputation. Maybe an insurance policy against lawsuits or cancelations.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • CopperC Offline
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              Copper
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              #12

              It’s insurance against attracting people willing to tell them what they think.

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                Renauda
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                #13

                Never directly experienced the DEI zeitgeist in the workplace. It was only beginning to rear its ugly head when I went into semi retirement ten years ago.

                What I had to endure to some limited extent, was meetings and day long seminars on Team Building in the Workplace. These time wasters appeared after the privately owned oilfield equipment company where I was working was purchased by an out of country publicly traded multinational. To those of us from the original company it was very apparent that who really needed team building training were those in management who resided in the head office abroad, or those managers head office parachuted to lead the team following the acquisition.

                Buzz words and expressions like team player or team building ring hollow with me as a result of that exercise in pointless HR self justification.

                Elbows up!

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                • CopperC Copper

                  It’s insurance against attracting people willing to tell them what they think.

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                  Horace
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                  @Copper said in DEI feedback survey:

                  It’s insurance against attracting people willing to tell them what they think.

                  There are a million ways in which people intent on doing things their own way aren't going to be comfortable in a large corporation. They can go into business for themselves.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    @Copper said in DEI feedback survey:

                    It’s insurance against attracting people willing to tell them what they think.

                    There are a million ways in which people intent on doing things their own way aren't going to be comfortable in a large corporation. They can go into business for themselves.

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                    @Horace said in DEI feedback survey:

                    They can go into business for themselves

                    That's what I did, after 30 years.
                    HR made me even more crazy every year for 30 years.
                    That was the limit.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      Our DEI department solicited feedback via an anonymous online survey. It was mostly multiple choice with five levels of "strongly disagree" to "strongly agree" to choose from, and then two written response ones at the end. The multiple choice questions were along the lines of "do you feel valued" or "do you feel senior management believes in diversity". The written response questions were "Describe the progress the DEI department made so far", and "What can we do to further increase diversity". There was nowhere in the survey to express an opinion against DEI in principle. They are obviously scared of honest feedback. For my answer about their progress, I resisted the temptation to compliment them on the number of emails the DEI department sends.

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                      @Horace said in DEI feedback survey:

                      "Describe the progress the DEI department made so far", and "What can we do to further increase diversity". There was nowhere in the survey to express an opinion against DEI in principle. They are obviously scared of honest feedback. For my answer about their progress, I resisted the temptation to compliment them on the number of emails the DEI department sends.

                      1. As the company has managed to stay solvent and still in business, it would suggest that the DEI impacts have been negligible at best.

                      2. To add more diversity, please end all DEI initiatives. Achieving “Equity” will result in a workforce that looks remarkably like every other company’s workforce, which makes our company and industry non-diverse by definition. Focus instead on excellence and achievement in the hiring process and rewarding excellence and achievement within the current staff of XXX. This will further differentiate XXX and attract a larger and more diverse talent pool.

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @Horace said in DEI feedback survey:

                        "Describe the progress the DEI department made so far", and "What can we do to further increase diversity". There was nowhere in the survey to express an opinion against DEI in principle. They are obviously scared of honest feedback. For my answer about their progress, I resisted the temptation to compliment them on the number of emails the DEI department sends.

                        1. As the company has managed to stay solvent and still in business, it would suggest that the DEI impacts have been negligible at best.

                        2. To add more diversity, please end all DEI initiatives. Achieving “Equity” will result in a workforce that looks remarkably like every other company’s workforce, which makes our company and industry non-diverse by definition. Focus instead on excellence and achievement in the hiring process and rewarding excellence and achievement within the current staff of XXX. This will further differentiate XXX and attract a larger and more diverse talent pool.

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                        @LuFins-Dad said in DEI feedback survey:

                        @Horace said in DEI feedback survey:

                        "Describe the progress the DEI department made so far", and "What can we do to further increase diversity". There was nowhere in the survey to express an opinion against DEI in principle. They are obviously scared of honest feedback. For my answer about their progress, I resisted the temptation to compliment them on the number of emails the DEI department sends.

                        1. As the company has managed to stay solvent and still in business, it would suggest that the DEI impacts have been negligible at best.

                        2. To add more diversity, please end all DEI initiatives. Achieving “Equity” will result in a workforce that looks remarkably like every other company’s workforce, which makes our company and industry non-diverse by definition. Focus instead on excellence and achievement in the hiring process and rewarding excellence and achievement within the current staff of XXX. This will further differentiate XXX and attract a larger and more diverse talent pool.

                        Good way to get yourself put under review.

                        Please love yourself.

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                          @LuFins-Dad said in DEI feedback survey:

                          @Horace said in DEI feedback survey:

                          "Describe the progress the DEI department made so far", and "What can we do to further increase diversity". There was nowhere in the survey to express an opinion against DEI in principle. They are obviously scared of honest feedback. For my answer about their progress, I resisted the temptation to compliment them on the number of emails the DEI department sends.

                          1. As the company has managed to stay solvent and still in business, it would suggest that the DEI impacts have been negligible at best.

                          2. To add more diversity, please end all DEI initiatives. Achieving “Equity” will result in a workforce that looks remarkably like every other company’s workforce, which makes our company and industry non-diverse by definition. Focus instead on excellence and achievement in the hiring process and rewarding excellence and achievement within the current staff of XXX. This will further differentiate XXX and attract a larger and more diverse talent pool.

                          Good way to get yourself put under review.

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          @Aqua-Letifer said in DEI feedback survey:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in DEI feedback survey:

                          @Horace said in DEI feedback survey:

                          "Describe the progress the DEI department made so far", and "What can we do to further increase diversity". There was nowhere in the survey to express an opinion against DEI in principle. They are obviously scared of honest feedback. For my answer about their progress, I resisted the temptation to compliment them on the number of emails the DEI department sends.

                          1. As the company has managed to stay solvent and still in business, it would suggest that the DEI impacts have been negligible at best.

                          2. To add more diversity, please end all DEI initiatives. Achieving “Equity” will result in a workforce that looks remarkably like every other company’s workforce, which makes our company and industry non-diverse by definition. Focus instead on excellence and achievement in the hiring process and rewarding excellence and achievement within the current staff of XXX. This will further differentiate XXX and attract a larger and more diverse talent pool.

                          Good way to get yourself put under review.

                          Oh, I would hope so.

                          The Brad

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            You guys all talk a good rebellion 😆

                            I was only joking

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              You guys all talk a good rebellion 😆

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              #20

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in DEI feedback survey:

                              You guys all talk a good rebellion 😆

                              Mmmm, I’m not in a business too bothered by this crap, anyway. Plus, I actually hire a pretty diverse crew. Not through any intent, purely accidental, just chose the best applicants. But mostly? We’re in a position that if worse comes to worse, I could invest into buying myself a small business and feel comfortable enough to make a go of it.

                              The Brad

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                Never directly experienced the DEI zeitgeist in the workplace. It was only beginning to rear its ugly head when I went into semi retirement ten years ago.

                                What I had to endure to some limited extent, was meetings and day long seminars on Team Building in the Workplace. These time wasters appeared after the privately owned oilfield equipment company where I was working was purchased by an out of country publicly traded multinational. To those of us from the original company it was very apparent that who really needed team building training were those in management who resided in the head office abroad, or those managers head office parachuted to lead the team following the acquisition.

                                Buzz words and expressions like team player or team building ring hollow with me as a result of that exercise in pointless HR self justification.

                                MikM Away
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                                Mik
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                                #21

                                @Renauda said in DEI feedback survey:

                                Never directly experienced the DEI zeitgeist in the workplace. It was only beginning to rear its ugly head when I went into semi retirement ten years ago.

                                What I had to endure to some limited extent, was meetings and day long seminars on Team Building in the Workplace. These time wasters appeared after the privately owned oilfield equipment company where I was working was purchased by an out of country publicly traded multinational. To those of us from the original company it was very apparent that who really needed team building training were those in management who resided in the head office abroad, or those managers head office parachuted to lead the team following the acquisition.

                                Buzz words and expressions like team player or team building ring hollow with me as a result of that exercise in pointless HR self justification.

                                We had “Culture “. Three years paying this bullshit consultant, thousands of man hours of meetings and surveys, etc to develop our documented culture, which is ridiculous on its face. In the end, the CEO, who I worked closely with, basically declared victory by saying you guys go live the new culture while I continue to act as I always have, which was the problem to begin with.

                                Been through team building too, but the version I endured was not as heinous as culture.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in DEI feedback survey:

                                  You guys all talk a good rebellion 😆

                                  Mmmm, I’m not in a business too bothered by this crap, anyway. Plus, I actually hire a pretty diverse crew. Not through any intent, purely accidental, just chose the best applicants. But mostly? We’re in a position that if worse comes to worse, I could invest into buying myself a small business and feel comfortable enough to make a go of it.

                                  Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #22

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in DEI feedback survey:

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in DEI feedback survey:

                                  You guys all talk a good rebellion 😆

                                  Mmmm, I’m not in a business too bothered by this crap, anyway. Plus, I actually hire a pretty diverse crew. Not through any intent, purely accidental, just chose the best applicants. But mostly? We’re in a position that if worse comes to worse, I could invest into buying myself a small business and feel comfortable enough to make a go of it.

                                  Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
                                  Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh Lord, why don't we?

                                  I was only joking

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