Salt Trucks in Chicago
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I’m mostly curious what Mr Reed looked like at his high school graduation. I hope by some miracle I will chance upon such a photo.
Education is extremely important.
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I’m mostly curious what Mr Reed looked like at his high school graduation. I hope by some miracle I will chance upon such a photo.
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@George-K said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Salt trucks out here gearing up for something ...
In Boston, when it is getting near to the end of the ice season, if there is a lot of extra salt, the salt guys will just salt the roads, needed or not. Salt guys have to eat too.
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@George-K said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
That was quite confusing. But I assume that the guy in the car started firing at the policemen and they fired back?
Amazing the amount of shots that were fired, and lucky that none of the police were hit.
(I read a book by a guy that was the head of the Internal Investigation Unit of the New York Police Dept and he said that when they would interview officers after a shooting, they would ask how many times they fired their gun. Almost always, the number of shots they thought they fired was much much less than the actual. They weren't lying - it was just the adrenaline and situation that caused them to undercount.)
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@George-K said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
That was quite confusing. But I assume that the guy in the car started firing at the policemen and they fired back?
Amazing the amount of shots that were fired, and lucky that none of the police were hit.
(I read a book by a guy that was the head of the Internal Investigation Unit of the New York Police Dept and he said that when they would interview officers after a shooting, they would ask how many times they fired their gun. Almost always, the number of shots they thought they fired was much much less than the actual. They weren't lying - it was just the adrenaline and situation that caused them to undercount.)
@taiwan_girl said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Amazing the amount of shots that were fired
Neutralize the threat.
If the alleged perp fired first, that's the end of the discussion. I don't think that anyone's (credibly) denying that.
The outraged people are saying that the car should never have been stopped in the first place.
Our town has a "click-it or ticket" event every year. If the cops catch you unbelted, you'll be pulled over and ticketed.
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@taiwan_girl said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Amazing the amount of shots that were fired
Neutralize the threat.
If the alleged perp fired first, that's the end of the discussion. I don't think that anyone's (credibly) denying that.
The outraged people are saying that the car should never have been stopped in the first place.
Our town has a "click-it or ticket" event every year. If the cops catch you unbelted, you'll be pulled over and ticketed.
@George-K Seems like everything was done correctly. I know that if someone were shooting at me as a policeman, I would shoot back.
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Police fire 96 shots in 41 seconds, killing Black man during traffic stop
Dexter Reed’s mother remembers the last time she saw her son alive. “Mom, I’m going for a ride,” he told her, before heading out in the car that he had purchased just three days earlier.
Reed, 26, was killed that same day, when tactical-unit police officers fired 96 bullets at him within 41 seconds, according to Chicago’s Civilian Office of Police Accountability, or COPA, which investigates allegations of police misconduct and police shootings. “He was just riding around in his car,” Dexter’s mother, Nicole Banks, told Fox 32 Chicago on Tuesday, as she broke down in tears. “They killed him.”
COPA released video footage of the shooting Tuesday and said its investigation of the “officers’ use of deadly force” on March 21 remains ongoing. The Chicago Police Department told CNN that it was cooperating with COPA’s investigation and that it “cannot make a determination on this shooting until all the facts are known and this investigation has concluded.” The department did not immediately respond for a request for comment from The Washington Post.
According to COPA, police stopped Reed “for purportedly not wearing a seatbelt.” In several body-cam videos, multiple officers can be seen exiting an unmarked vehicle and surrounding Reed’s car, which had tinted windows.
The officers demand he unlock and open the door, and not to roll up the window.
“Upon stopping Mr. Reed, multiple officers surrounded his vehicle while giving verbal commands. When Mr. Reed did not comply with these commands, officers pointed their firearms at Mr. Reed,” COPA said.
Officers can be seen retreating as they ask Reed to exit the vehicle. Then, shots can be heard.
COPA said its review of the footage and initial reports “appear to confirm that Mr. Reed fired first,” hitting one officer while four others returned fire.
Reed can be seen staggering out of the vehicle before collapsing onto the road. As officers approach his motionless body, they can be heard telling Reed not to move. A pool of blood can be seen on the ground next to Reed as officers place him in handcuffs.
“Ultimately there was an exchange of gunfire which left Mr. Reed dead and an officer shot in the forearm,” COPA said, adding that a gun was recovered from the front passenger seat of Reed’s car.
Andrew M. Stroth, the family’s attorney, said Tuesday that the plainclothes officers “did not announce they were police officers.” The footage shows many officers in plainclothes, with some wearing vests with the word “police” on them.
According to COPA, police continued to shoot at Reed after he left his car and fell to the ground. The agency noted that Reed was “struck by gunfire multiple times and was transported to the hospital and later pronounced deceased.”
Nicole Banks speaks to reporters in Chicago on Tuesday, flanked by family members, attorneys and supporters. (Ashlee Rezin/Chicago Sun-Times/AP)
Stroth described Reed as a star athlete who “enjoyed playing hoops,” and loved to cook and spend time with his family. He called on Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson to “disband these tactical units that have been terrorizing communities.”Johnson said Tuesday that he was aware the footage was “extremely painful and traumatic” and that the officers involved in the fatal shooting have been placed on a 30-day administrative leave.
“As mayor and as a father raising a family, including two Black boys on the west side of Chicago, I am personally devastated to see yet another young Black man lose his life during an interaction with the police,” Johnson said.
Johnson said that he had spoken with Reed’s family over the weekend and that he was committed to a “transparent” investigation.
Stroth called on Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx to “move swiftly to get justice” for the Reed family and said “the people of Chicago deserve to have awareness and full knowledge of police shootings.”
In a statement Tuesday, Foxx said “it is imperative that we let the investigation takes its course.” “Be assured, our commitment to finding justice for everyone involved is unwavering,” she said.
“If you didn’t stop my nephew, he will be alive today,” Reed’s uncle told CNN on Tuesday.
Reed’s death has once again reignited debate and anger over police brutality and excessive use of force in the United States, prompting protests outside a Chicago police station this week, with activists, residents and family members calling for justice.
There have been at least 9,497 fatal police shootings in the United States since 2015, according to The Post’s database. In the past 12 months, at least 1,116 people have been shot and killed by police.
Police killings of Black Americans including Tyre Nichols, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd have prompted protests and a racial reckoning that translated into hundreds of bills aimed at curtailing law enforcement powers and reshaping policing.
“How many more young Black and Brown men need to die before this city will change?” Stroth said.
The fact that Reed fired first appears in the 8th paragraph.
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I think I read that he posted in Facebook the day before that he was going to suicide by cop that day.
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Seen on X...
(an attorney comments)
Hmm, this one is a bit of a quandry. Guy fires first, which would make this obvious, except one problem:
Police here are in an unmarked vehicle, and plainclothes. How does someone react to a bunch of apparent randos with guns demanding things?
So, police tactics question then. I would say that it is probably not a good idea for police strategy/tactics/operations to create a situation where others might be able to lawfully shoot you.
Also, someone get these officers an invitation to join the Avengers if they were able to see this guy had no seatbelt on through that window tint. That's impressive.
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- Window tints that dark should be illegal and subject the vehicle to immediate towing, a fine and removal of window tint before the vehicle can be reclaimed.
- Plain clothed cops should never, ever make a routine traffic stop. Period.
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- Window tints that dark should be illegal and subject the vehicle to immediate towing, a fine and removal of window tint before the vehicle can be reclaimed.
- Plain clothed cops should never, ever make a routine traffic stop. Period.
@Jolly said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Window tints that dark should be illegal and subject the vehicle to immediate towing, a fine and removal of window tint before the vehicle can be reclaimed.
Yes
Plain clothed cops should never, ever make a routine traffic stop. Period.
I want to know more about this. Why was this the case?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I’ve wondered if there is more to this stort
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I’m mostly curious what Mr Reed looked like at his high school graduation. I hope by some miracle I will chance upon such a photo.
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These sorts of cases keep right wing punditry alive. It shouldn’t take advocate journalists to do a fair job. But we’re left with Matt Walsh to report these stories as they are.
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@Jolly said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Window tints that dark should be illegal and subject the vehicle to immediate towing, a fine and removal of window tint before the vehicle can be reclaimed.
Yes
Plain clothed cops should never, ever make a routine traffic stop. Period.
I want to know more about this. Why was this the case?
@George-K said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
@Jolly said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Window tints that dark should be illegal and subject the vehicle to immediate towing, a fine and removal of window tint before the vehicle can be reclaimed.
Yes
Plain clothed cops should never, ever make a routine traffic stop. Period.
I want to know more about this. Why was this the case?
I think the seatbelt statement was BS. You couldn't tell if Santa Claus was driving that vehicle, due to the window tint.
Besides (and I haven't seen the whole video from when the decision to stop him originated), that's a helluva lot of cops for a traffic stop. And a lot of plainsclothes guys for most things.
As for why plainsclothes guys shouldn't make stops...It leads to confusion. Any perp can have lights on an unmarked car. You want a marked car with a uniformed officer to make the stop.
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@George-K said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
@Jolly said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Window tints that dark should be illegal and subject the vehicle to immediate towing, a fine and removal of window tint before the vehicle can be reclaimed.
Yes
Plain clothed cops should never, ever make a routine traffic stop. Period.
I want to know more about this. Why was this the case?
I think the seatbelt statement was BS. You couldn't tell if Santa Claus was driving that vehicle, due to the window tint.
Besides (and I haven't seen the whole video from when the decision to stop him originated), that's a helluva lot of cops for a traffic stop. And a lot of plainsclothes guys for most things.
As for why plainsclothes guys shouldn't make stops...It leads to confusion. Any perp can have lights on an unmarked car. You want a marked car with a uniformed officer to make the stop.
@Jolly said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
due to the window tint.
https://www.tinting-laws.com/illinois/
Tint darkness for SUV and vans:
Windshield: Non-reflective tint is allowed on the top 6 inches of the windshield.
Front Side windows: Must allow more than 50% of light in.
Back Side windows: Any darkness can be used.
Rear Window: Any darkness can be used.Tint reflection for SUV and vans:
Front Side windows: Must be non reflective, state law is not specific about what this means.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Do you attribute that to the fact that you are white? Or that you didn’t pull a nine and try to bust a cap in their ass?
I think it was a little bit of both.
@Horace said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
@LuFins-Dad said in Salt Trucks in Chicago:
Do you attribute that to the fact that you are white? Or that you didn’t pull a nine and try to bust a cap in their ass?
I think it was a little bit of both.
Look at you wallowing in your didn’t-pull-a-gun privilege.
