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She's right, you know.

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
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    #1

    The price of freedom is that others have the right to hold and espouse views we find repugnant. Plus, 'white supremacy' is not what it used to be. A lot of it is people who see the growth of blaming white people for all the world's ills and demonizing them. It's one facet of what I was talking about the other day when I said we see the seeds of genocide around us.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/let-s-talk-about-the-nazis-maine-lawmaker-stands-by-comments-that-sparked-swift-backlash/ar-BB1lhT6u?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=effe88a4a81b4d87b3d814e02aa27357&ei=49

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • 89th8 Online
      89th8 Online
      89th
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      She is very correct.

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      • MikM Mik

        The price of freedom is that others have the right to hold and espouse views we find repugnant. Plus, 'white supremacy' is not what it used to be. A lot of it is people who see the growth of blaming white people for all the world's ills and demonizing them. It's one facet of what I was talking about the other day when I said we see the seeds of genocide around us.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/let-s-talk-about-the-nazis-maine-lawmaker-stands-by-comments-that-sparked-swift-backlash/ar-BB1lhT6u?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=effe88a4a81b4d87b3d814e02aa27357&ei=49

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        Aqua Letifer
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        @Mik said in She's right, you know.:

        It's one facet of what I was talking about the other day when I said we see the seeds of genocide around us.

        It might be a cycle. Which is an encouraging thought. It suggests we don't always go overboard.

        https://www.honest-broker.com/p/are-there-alternating-cycles-of-hot-c6c

        Please love yourself.

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
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          #4

          Could be. Generational shifts. There's also the Strauss-Howe generational theory that it goes in cycles of four generations. I found it interesting, if not entirely supportable.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss–Howe_generational_theory

          Turnings
          While writing Generations, Strauss and Howe described a theorized pattern in the historical generations they examined, which they say revolved around generational events which they call turnings. In Generations, and in greater detail in The Fourth Turning, they describe a four-stage cycle of social or mood eras which they call "turnings". The turnings include: "The High", "The Awakening", "The Unraveling" and "The Crisis".[2]

          High
          According to Strauss and Howe, the First Turning is a High, which occurs after a Crisis. During The High, institutions are strong and individualism is weak. Society is confident about where it wants to go collectively, though those outside the majoritarian center often feel stifled by conformity.[34]

          According to the authors, the most recent First Turning in the US was the post–World War II American High, beginning in 1946 and ending with the assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963.[35]

          Awakening
          According to the theory, the Second Turning is an Awakening. This is an era when institutions are attacked in the name of personal and spiritual autonomy. Just when society is reaching its high tide of public progress, people suddenly tire of social discipline and want to recapture a sense of "self-awareness", "spirituality" and "personal authenticity". Young activists look back at the previous High as an era of cultural and spiritual poverty.[36]

          Strauss and Howe say the U.S.'s most recent Awakening was the "Consciousness Revolution", which spanned from the campus and inner-city revolts of the mid-1960s to the tax revolts of the early 1980s.[37]

          Unraveling
          According to Strauss and Howe, the Third Turning is an Unraveling. The mood of this era they say is in many ways the opposite of a High: Institutions are weak and distrusted, while individualism is strong and flourishing. The authors say Highs come after Crises when society wants to coalesce and build and avoid the death and destruction of the previous crisis. Unravelings come after Awakenings when society wants to atomize and enjoy.[38] They say the most recent Unraveling in the US began in the 1980s and includes the Long Boom and Culture War.[2]

          Crisis
          According to the authors, the Fourth Turning is a Crisis. This is an era of destruction, often involving war or revolution, in which institutional life is destroyed and rebuilt in response to a perceived threat to the nation's survival. After the crisis, civic authority revives, cultural expression redirects toward community purpose, and people begin to locate themselves as members of a larger group.[39]

          The authors say the previous Fourth Turning in the US began with the Wall Street Crash of 1929 and climaxed with the end of World War II. The G.I. Generation (which they call a Hero archetype, born 1901 to 1924) came of age during this era. They say their confidence, optimism, and collective outlook epitomized the mood of that era.[40] The authors assert the Millennial Generation (which they also describe as a Hero archetype, born 1982 to 2005) shows many similar traits to those of the G.I. youth, which they describe as including rising civic engagement, improving behavior, and collective confidence.[41]

          Cycle
          The authors describe each turning as lasting about 20–22 years. Four turnings make up a full cycle of about 80 to 90 years,[42] which the authors term a saeculum, after the Latin word meaning both "a long human life" and "a natural century".[43]

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Well that's a happy thought. 😄

            Seriously though, just as plausible.

            Please love yourself.

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
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              I like that my daughter is a hero.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                I like that my daughter is a hero.

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                @Mik said in She's right, you know.:

                I like that my daughter is a hero.

                I'm an Unraveller, which I suppose tracks.

                Please love yourself.

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                • MikM Mik

                  The price of freedom is that others have the right to hold and espouse views we find repugnant. Plus, 'white supremacy' is not what it used to be. A lot of it is people who see the growth of blaming white people for all the world's ills and demonizing them. It's one facet of what I was talking about the other day when I said we see the seeds of genocide around us.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/let-s-talk-about-the-nazis-maine-lawmaker-stands-by-comments-that-sparked-swift-backlash/ar-BB1lhT6u?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=effe88a4a81b4d87b3d814e02aa27357&ei=49

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                  @Mik said in She's right, you know.:

                  The price of freedom is that others have the right to hold and espouse views we find repugnant.

                  Agree. (Generic) we may not like that some one (kneels during National Song/marches as a Nazi through town/etc etc) but they have the right to do so.

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
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                    I agree to a point. With the kneeling, you have the right to do that as a private citizen. As someone's employee in a public spectacle such as a sporting event you do not have the right to do so without consequence.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      I agree to a point. With the kneeling, you have the right to do that as a private citizen. As someone's employee in a public spectacle such as a sporting event you do not have the right to do so without consequence.

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                      @Mik That is a good point.

                      But even doing something as a private citizen on their own time does not matter sometimes. There is often someone doing something stupid as a private citizen, and they are identified and company says that "their actions do not represent our company values" and they are fired.

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
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                        Very true. Wise to consider one's circumstances when contemplating acts of nobility.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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