Not on the ballot in Ohio?
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President Joe Biden could be left off the ballot in Alabama, the state’s elections chief said Tuesday, because the state’s certification deadline comes several days before the Democratic Party’s convention.
Alabama Secretary of State Wes Allen, a Republican, made the statement Tuesday, a day after a similar concern was raised in Ohio that Biden could be left off the ballot in that state.
Allen sent a letter to Alabama Democratic Party Chairman Randy Kelley saying that the state’s Aug. 15 certification deadline is four days before the Democratic National Convention is set to begin. Allen indicated that Biden’s name will not appear on the ballot unless the deadline is met.
“If this Office has not received a valid certificate of nomination from the Democratic Party following its convention by the statutory deadline, I will be unable to certify the names of the Democratic Party’s candidates for President and Vice President for ballot preparation for the 2024 general election,” Allen wrote.
Kelley told The Associated Press Tuesday night that he had contacted the DNC about the matter to see what could be done. An option could be for the party to send in a provisional certification.
“Joe Biden will be on the ballot in all 50 states,” the Biden campaign said in a statement. “State officials have the ability to grant provisional ballot access certification prior to the conclusion of presidential nominating conventions. In 2020 alone, states like Alabama, Illinois, Montana, and Washington all allowed provisional certification for Democratic and Republican nominees.”
Alabama law requires the names of presidential nominees to be submitted 82 days before the election.
The Republican-controlled Alabama Legislature in 2020 passed legislation to change the certification deadline for the 2020 election. The bill stated that the change was being made “to accommodate the dates of the 2020 Republican National Convention.”
The deadline was pushed forward about a week that year. It was a one-time change that only applied to that year.
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@Jolly said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
First, hang all the lawyers.
Well, it's what we do.
Conservatives are (rightly) quick to point out that every single attempt at a socialist system has devolved into totalitarianism.
But I think they turn a blind eye to income inequality. Its impetus for uprising is just as assured yet it's popular to pretend that it doesn't contribute. Which I kind of get, since we've never figured out a solution. We just burn shit down and start again with something new.
If there is another solution, I don't think capitalism forever is it. But I also don't know what the viable alternative is.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
@Jolly said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
First, hang all the lawyers.
Well, it's what we do.
Conservatives are (rightly) quick to point out that every single attempt at a socialist system has devolved into totalitarianism.
But I think they turn a blind eye to income inequality. Its impetus for uprising is just as assured yet it's popular to pretend that it doesn't contribute. Which I kind of get, since we've never figured out a solution. We just burn shit down and start again with something new.
If there is another solution, I don't think capitalism forever is it. But I also don't know what the viable alternative is.
Opportunity is one of the solutions. An old axiom is Them that has, gets. Regardless of political affiliation, people with wealth use all types of tactics to remain wealthy.
In our modified capitalistic society, we have to have an opportunity mechanism that allows people to move up the economic ladder. That mechanism should be based on hard work and merit. It is our duty to provide the tools that allow people to climb the ladder and our duty to protect them from predators or gatekeepers as they do.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
@Jolly said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
First, hang all the lawyers.
Well, it's what we do.
Conservatives are (rightly) quick to point out that every single attempt at a socialist system has devolved into totalitarianism.
But I think they turn a blind eye to income inequality. Its impetus for uprising is just as assured yet it's popular to pretend that it doesn't contribute. Which I kind of get, since we've never figured out a solution. We just burn shit down and start again with something new.
If there is another solution, I don't think capitalism forever is it. But I also don't know what the viable alternative is.
Opportunity is one of the solutions. An old axiom is Them that has, gets. Regardless of political affiliation, people with wealth use all types of tactics to remain wealthy.
In our modified capitalistic society, we have to have an opportunity mechanism that allows people to move up the economic ladder. That mechanism should be based on hard work and merit. It is our duty to provide the tools that allow people to climb the ladder and our duty to protect them from predators or gatekeepers as they do.
@Jolly said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
@Jolly said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
First, hang all the lawyers.
Well, it's what we do.
Conservatives are (rightly) quick to point out that every single attempt at a socialist system has devolved into totalitarianism.
But I think they turn a blind eye to income inequality. Its impetus for uprising is just as assured yet it's popular to pretend that it doesn't contribute. Which I kind of get, since we've never figured out a solution. We just burn shit down and start again with something new.
If there is another solution, I don't think capitalism forever is it. But I also don't know what the viable alternative is.
Opportunity is one of the solutions. An old axiom is Them that has, gets. Regardless of political affiliation, people with wealth use all types of tactics to remain wealthy.
In our modified capitalistic society, we have to have an opportunity mechanism that allows people to move up the economic ladder. That mechanism should be based on hard work and merit. It is our duty to provide the tools that allow people to climb the ladder and our duty to protect them from predators or gatekeepers as they do.
I'm down with that. I just don't know how to do that in the midst of so many fundamental changes we're currently going through. AI might collapse the entire middle class and for good if it goes a certain way.
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I think it still starts with education, especially among the poor and even the middle class. I think the inner city school systems are FUBAR for the most part. And it sounds harsh, but I think in particular, certain segments of the poor are genetically fucked.
On average, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.
But that doesn't apply to all. I propose a two-fer...We use the allotted public school monies per child, to allow that inner city or poor rural child with ability to attend a boarding school. I want the school to encourage students to excel - academically and morally - and I want those kids to have a chance to advance their education or training upon graduation from the twelfth grade. Maybe that entails some college courses taught in high school, so a bachelor's doesn't take as long. Maybe it entails apprenticeship training while still in high school. And I want the schools to teach life skills along with academics...Financial management, entrepreneurship, civic responsibility and rights.
Once these kids graduate high school, there has to be a mechanism to ensure their further education and training. Maybe we help the brightest to complete their college education through scholarships. Maybe we help fund internships. Maybe we give scholarships to votech programs. Maybe we provide low-interest loans for small business start-ups. Maybe we provide benefits for public or military service.
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
Ohio hangs tough...
This will, assuredly, go to SCOTUS.
The difference between this and the attempts to bar Trump from being on the ballot is that Ohio's refusal is based on state law, rather than supposed, unproven, unprotected allegations.
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@Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
I am, however, reminded of the old adage an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
I am, however, reminded of the old adage, don't start no shit and won't be no shit started.
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@Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
I am, however, reminded of the old adage an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
I am, however, reminded of the old adage, don't start no shit and won't be no shit started.
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It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…
Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…
The Brad
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I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out. Could we be seeing the beginnings of a Democratic January 6?
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I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out. Could we be seeing the beginnings of a Democratic January 6?
@Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
I knew the Ohio legislature would tell them to pound sand. There's no reason for them to bail the Dems out.
Yeap, Ohio’s ballot access rules are well known to the Democratic Party well ahead of time. It’s their own fault for not planning accordingly.
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There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.
@Mik said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
There's a history of the legislature providing a temporary but legal solution, but that was when it affected both parties.
Also, considering the actions of Maine and (?) Arizona to keep Trump off the ballot, I would think the GOP majority in Ohio are not inclined to play nice.
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It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…
Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…
@LuFins-Dad said in Not on the ballot in Ohio?:
It raises the question of why the Democrats don’t just submit a non provisional certification…
Unless, of course, they don’t really expect it to be Biden…
I think that may be true, but what about any other candidate? Even if they pull a convention switcheroo, a name still won't be submitted by the deadline.
Maybe the surprise factor is worth writing off Ohio?
