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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #13

    FAFOer: guilty of being dead.

    It's clear that 99% of people in the defendant's situation wouldn't have ended up gutting several kids and killing one. Whether he was within the bounds of the law, I guess that's what the jury got paid to decide. I hope his appeals are heard with some detached objectivity.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #14

      Link to video

      He was found not guilty of the original charges but guilty of the "reckless" charges added AFTER the parties had presented their cases.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        #15

        I chuckled at the Roadhouse scene where rowdy patrons were pulling knives on the newly trained bouncers, and the bouncers just threw them out. Never saw an attempted murder treated to jovially. Anyway, golden rule of real fights seems to be, don't actually hurt anybody, or your life may be forfeit. All the stories you hear on the internet of people willing to get physical over this or that, are the ridiculous posturing of imbeciles.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          I chuckled at the Roadhouse scene where rowdy patrons were pulling knives on the newly trained bouncers, and the bouncers just threw them out. Never saw an attempted murder treated to jovially. Anyway, golden rule of real fights seems to be, don't actually hurt anybody, or your life may be forfeit. All the stories you hear on the internet of people willing to get physical over this or that, are the ridiculous posturing of imbeciles.

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          @Horace said in FAFO of the day:

          I chuckled at the Roadhouse scene where rowdy patrons were pulling knives on the newly trained bouncers, and the bouncers just threw them out. Never saw an attempted murder treated to jovially. Anyway, golden rule of real fights seems to be, don't actually hurt anybody, or your life may be forfeit. All the stories you hear on the internet of people willing to get physical over this or that, are the ridiculous posturing of imbeciles.

          Or the remembrance of a time when a tussle out back often settled issues. These days that’s considered assault, and as long as it’s assault, you may as well get your money’s worth…

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @Horace said in FAFO of the day:

            I chuckled at the Roadhouse scene where rowdy patrons were pulling knives on the newly trained bouncers, and the bouncers just threw them out. Never saw an attempted murder treated to jovially. Anyway, golden rule of real fights seems to be, don't actually hurt anybody, or your life may be forfeit. All the stories you hear on the internet of people willing to get physical over this or that, are the ridiculous posturing of imbeciles.

            Or the remembrance of a time when a tussle out back often settled issues. These days that’s considered assault, and as long as it’s assault, you may as well get your money’s worth…

            HoraceH Offline
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            @LuFins-Dad said in FAFO of the day:

            @Horace said in FAFO of the day:

            I chuckled at the Roadhouse scene where rowdy patrons were pulling knives on the newly trained bouncers, and the bouncers just threw them out. Never saw an attempted murder treated to jovially. Anyway, golden rule of real fights seems to be, don't actually hurt anybody, or your life may be forfeit. All the stories you hear on the internet of people willing to get physical over this or that, are the ridiculous posturing of imbeciles.

            Or the remembrance of a time when a tussle out back often settled issues. These days that’s considered assault, and as long as it’s assault, you may as well get your money’s worth…

            The opposite happens. The more damage you do, the more you pay.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • 89th8 89th

              Jury: Guilty of homicide.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #18

              @89th said in FAFO of the day:

              Jury: Guilty of homicide.

              Interesting. I watched some of Branca's analysis of the testimony and evidence. I have to disagree with the verdict.

              According to his criteria:

              1 - He didn't start the fight.
              2 - He was assaulted (from behind) and thrown into the water while being outnumbered 13 to 1.
              3 - He was being dunked under the water and pulled the knife to get the people off him.
              4 - He had no duty to leave. Should he have? Probably, but from a legal standpoint, he had no such duty.
              5 - It seemed clear that he was in fear for his life. Surrounded by 13 drunk teenagers, several of whom were football players.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
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                #19

                Would have been so easy to walk away at most points prior to the stabbing part. I guess that's what got him convicted.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  Would have been so easy to walk away at most points prior to the stabbing part. I guess that's what got him convicted.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  @Horace said in FAFO of the day:

                  Would have been so easy to walk away at most points prior to the stabbing part. I guess that's what got him convicted.

                  Yes, but he's under no legal obligation to do so. He was surrounded on 3 sides, and the only retreat was downriver. Once he's pushed into the river, he could be in fear for his life.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #21

                    More than you wanted to know about the incident

                    Link to video

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      More than you wanted to know about the incident

                      Link to video

                      George KG Offline
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                      @Horace said in FAFO of the day:

                      More than you wanted to know about the incident

                      Yeah, probably. tl;dw.

                      Can you summarize? From what I gathered, he was convicted because the jury didn't find him truthful in his police interviews.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Horace said in FAFO of the day:

                        More than you wanted to know about the incident

                        Yeah, probably. tl;dw.

                        Can you summarize? From what I gathered, he was convicted because the jury didn't find him truthful in his police interviews.

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                        @George-K said in FAFO of the day:

                        @Horace said in FAFO of the day:

                        More than you wanted to know about the incident

                        Yeah, probably. tl;dw.

                        Can you summarize? From what I gathered, he was convicted because the jury didn't find him truthful in his police interviews.

                        I think the facts were out in the trial and were not disputed. Some minor dispute about whether he punched one of the ladies, but the stabbings and what led up to them were clear. Those facts were what convicted him. He could have retreated easily, rather than going on a knife rampage.

                        Education is extremely important.

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