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Was the media too alarmist?

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    Jolly
    wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 11:49 last edited by
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    Seeing more of this subject appearing in more essays. The pressure to reopen is building...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 11:53 last edited by
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      As it should be!

      The dangerous part is to pretend this was all unnecessary. That will give fuel to the idea that we can just end this without an adequate test and trace program in place.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Mik
        wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 12:22 last edited by
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        There is a reason the curve has been flattened and that is the steps that were taken. That the models were wrong, well, they are models and they tended toward worst case, as they should.

        But reopening prematurely and at too fast a pace will have grave consequences. The first thing we need to look at is reopening parts of the hospital systems so they can generate revenue from electives, etc. Social distancing needs to remain in place, especially for those most likely to have bad outcomes. Federal assistance for those people may be helpful.

        We need a Manhattan Project for both effective treatments and a vaccine. Nothing else will really turn this around like that. Contact tracing and monitoring will help but until we become able to defeat the virus we will constantly be playing catchup.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 12:39 last edited by
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          I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

          I was only joking

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          • D Doctor Phibes
            10 Apr 2020, 12:39

            I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 13:00 last edited by
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            @Doctor-Phibes said in Was the media too alarmist?:

            I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

            Maybe so, but the models(so far) have been seriously wrong. Therein lies the ammunition for the counter argument.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Mik
              wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 13:02 last edited by
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              Hindsight is 20/20. Ask Lombardy if they wish they'd have taken the steps we have earlier.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Jolly
                wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 13:09 last edited by
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                True, but the Italian medical system is not the best in Europe.

                Look, I can see it coming...No nation is so rich it can shutter most of its economy forever. As the economic pressures build, and the models trend downward, eventually people will howl to reopen the economy. People will make what they consider to be the most rational decision, and that may mean you and I, Jon, Aqua and whoever else, have become expendable,or at least possible casualties of war.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 13:11 last edited by Mik 4 Oct 2020, 13:14
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                  I will never accept that. I agree that pressure to reopen will be great, but I think it will be done gradually, as the shutdown was imposed. Schools do not need to reopen. Social distance can be maintained without lockdown orders. Workplaces will find ways to keep space between people. But we're not just going to throw the barn doors open and all back to normal.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    10 Apr 2020, 13:00

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                    I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

                    Maybe so, but the models(so far) have been seriously wrong. Therein lies the ammunition for the counter argument.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 13:16 last edited by
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                    @Jolly said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                    I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

                    Maybe so, but the models(so far) have been seriously wrong. Therein lies the ammunition for the counter argument.

                    People with expertise are often wrong, however they're generally not wrong nearly as often as people without it.

                    I was only joking

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                    • M Mik
                      10 Apr 2020, 13:11

                      I will never accept that. I agree that pressure to reopen will be great, but I think it will be done gradually, as the shutdown was imposed. Schools do not need to reopen. Social distance can be maintained without lockdown orders. Workplaces will find ways to keep space between people. But we're not just going to throw the barn doors open and all back to normal.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 13:24 last edited by
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                      @Mik said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                      I will never accept that.

                      You won't, and I ain't too spiffy with it, but right now we're swimming in a sea of government money. One third of Americans will not make their rent payments. It's going to get worse, if the current levels of shutdown continue. The worst case scenario is another Great Depression, and everything that comes with it.

                      With massive amounts of fiat money, comes hyperinflation. In a world where most people are destitute and cannot afford food, people will rationalize anything.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 13:56 last edited by
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                        The key is going to be balancing the risk with the reward. An outcome like that of 1920 would be as unacceptable to most people as would an outcome like 1929.

                        I was only joking

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                          10 Apr 2020, 12:39

                          I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

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                          Copper
                          wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 15:35 last edited by
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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                          listen to people with expertise

                          Identify them

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                            Copper
                            wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 15:37 last edited by
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                            And, yes, the media was too alarmist, by a lot

                            But on their behalf I'll say I suspect that was the job they were asked to do.

                            The people watching the media let us down.

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 16:42 last edited by
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                              flu

                              Please love yourself.

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 16:45 last edited by
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                                Still leading but not for long

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                                  10 Apr 2020, 16:42

                                  flu

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 16:49 last edited by
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                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                                  flu

                                  One month ago.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 17:01 last edited by
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                                    That's a great point, Donald! Especially when you consider which one of those is experiencing exponential (read: like, rilly fast) growth and the other one has been going down in cases since 1950!

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • J jon-nyc
                                      10 Apr 2020, 16:49

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                                      flu

                                      One month ago.

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 17:20 last edited by
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                                      flu

                                      One month ago.

                                      That is hilarious!

                                      Imagine being concerned about only 37,000 deaths?

                                      Crazy.

                                      Where do we find characters like this?

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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 18:02 last edited by
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                                        It’s a loaded question. Who are “the media” and what do you mean “too alarmist”?

                                        Fox News? Yeah, Fox News is “too alarmist” on certain “voter fraud” and “undocumented immigrants” issues and is plain misinformed and misleading regarding the COVID-19 pandemic.

                                        Is the @realDunaldTrump twitter handle part of “the media”? (Go ahead and argue that an information distribution channel that has over 75 million followers is not part of “the media”.) That too is often misinformed and misleading regarding the COVID-19 pandemic.

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                                        • A Aqua Letifer
                                          10 Apr 2020, 17:01

                                          That's a great point, Donald! Especially when you consider which one of those is experiencing exponential (read: like, rilly fast) growth and the other one has been going down in cases since 1950!

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 10 Apr 2020, 18:18 last edited by
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                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Was the media too alarmist?:

                                          That's a great point, Donald! Especially when you consider which one of those is experiencing exponential (read: like, rilly fast) growth and the other one has been going down in cases since 1950!

                                          1. There wasn't a test for flu in the 1950's. A lot of diagnoses back then were made on symptoms.
                                          2. It's true that COVID is more contagious than the flu. But you're lucky, you can work from home. A lot of people cannot do that. They're hurting financially already.

                                          How important are you and I in the grand scheme of things?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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