Was the media too alarmist?

[Mik]

There is a reason the curve has been flattened and that is the steps that were taken. That the models were wrong, well, they are models and they tended toward worst case, as they should.

But reopening prematurely and at too fast a pace will have grave consequences. The first thing we need to look at is reopening parts of the hospital systems so they can generate revenue from electives, etc. Social distancing needs to remain in place, especially for those most likely to have bad outcomes. Federal assistance for those people may be helpful.

We need a Manhattan Project for both effective treatments and a vaccine. Nothing else will really turn this around like that. Contact tracing and monitoring will help but until we become able to defeat the virus we will constantly be playing catchup.

[Doctor Phibes]

I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Was the media too alarmist?:

I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

Maybe so, but the models(so far) have been seriously wrong. Therein lies the ammunition for the counter argument.

[Mik]

Hindsight is 20/20. Ask Lombardy if they wish they'd have taken the steps we have earlier.

[Jolly]

True, but the Italian medical system is not the best in Europe.

Look, I can see it coming...No nation is so rich it can shutter most of its economy forever. As the economic pressures build, and the models trend downward, eventually people will howl to reopen the economy. People will make what they consider to be the most rational decision, and that may mean you and I, Jon, Aqua and whoever else, have become expendable,or at least possible casualties of war.

[Mik]

I will never accept that. I agree that pressure to reopen will be great, but I think it will be done gradually, as the shutdown was imposed. Schools do not need to reopen. Social distance can be maintained without lockdown orders. Workplaces will find ways to keep space between people. But we're not just going to throw the barn doors open and all back to normal.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Was the media too alarmist?:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Was the media too alarmist?:

I wish these people would just STFU and listen to people with expertise for a change.

Maybe so, but the models(so far) have been seriously wrong. Therein lies the ammunition for the counter argument.

People with expertise are often wrong, however they're generally not wrong nearly as often as people without it.

[Jolly]

@Mik said in Was the media too alarmist?:

I will never accept that.

You won't, and I ain't too spiffy with it, but right now we're swimming in a sea of government money. One third of Americans will not make their rent payments. It's going to get worse, if the current levels of shutdown continue. The worst case scenario is another Great Depression, and everything that comes with it.

With massive amounts of fiat money, comes hyperinflation. In a world where most people are destitute and cannot afford food, people will rationalize anything.

[Doctor Phibes]

The key is going to be balancing the risk with the reward. An outcome like that of 1920 would be as unacceptable to most people as would an outcome like 1929.

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Was the media too alarmist?:

listen to people with expertise

Identify them

[Copper]

And, yes, the media was too alarmist, by a lot

But on their behalf I'll say I suspect that was the job they were asked to do.

The people watching the media let us down.

[Aqua Letifer]

flu

[Copper]

Still leading but not for long

[jon-nyc]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Was the media too alarmist?:

flu

One month ago.

[Aqua Letifer]

That's a great point, Donald! Especially when you consider which one of those is experiencing exponential (read: like, rilly fast) growth and the other one has been going down in cases since 1950!

[Copper]

[Axtremus]

It’s a loaded question. Who are “the media” and what do you mean “too alarmist”?

Fox News? Yeah, Fox News is “too alarmist” on certain “voter fraud” and “undocumented immigrants” issues and is plain misinformed and misleading regarding the COVID-19 pandemic.

Is the @realDunaldTrump twitter handle part of “the media”? (Go ahead and argue that an information distribution channel that has over 75 million followers is not part of “the media”.) That too is often misinformed and misleading regarding the COVID-19 pandemic.

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Was the media too alarmist?:

That's a great point, Donald! Especially when you consider which one of those is experiencing exponential (read: like, rilly fast) growth and the other one has been going down in cases since 1950!

1. There wasn't a test for flu in the 1950's. A lot of diagnoses back then were made on symptoms.
2. It's true that COVID is more contagious than the flu. But you're lucky, you can work from home. A lot of people cannot do that. They're hurting financially already.

How important are you and I in the grand scheme of things?

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Was the media too alarmist?:

It’s a loaded question. Who are “the media” and what do you mean “too alarmist”?

Fox News? Yeah, Fox News is “too alarmist” on certain “voter fraud” and “undocumented immigrants” issues and is plain misinformed and misleading regarding the COVID-19 pandemic.

Is the @realDunaldTrump twitter handle part of “the media”? (Go ahead and argue that an information distribution channel that has over 75 million followers is not part of “the media”.) That too is often misinformed and misleading regarding the COVID-19 pandemic.

Opinion masquerading as fact, aren't you?

[Doctor Phibes]

"too alarmist" is by it's very nature an opinion.

Some conservatives went ape-shit about Ebola, and then completely downplayed Covid.