Mutiny
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So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?
Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.
But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.
wrote on 11 Aug 2020, 21:10 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:
So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?
Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.
But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.
If they were truly coming after you you would already be gone. Relax. You're in the clear. Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:
So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?
Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.
But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.
If they were truly coming after you you would already be gone. Relax. You're in the clear. Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.
wrote on 11 Aug 2020, 21:12 last edited byJust keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.
That's absolutely the plan.
Perhaps the team will coalesce around a new goal: get rid of the current department head and put you in charge.
@brenda I can't think of a better definition of hell on earth than to be even more beholden to these people than I already am. And it'd never happen anyway. I have no advocates there, aside form my boss, who also has no advocates.
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wrote on 11 Aug 2020, 21:17 last edited by
So who advocates for the current leadership? Looks like no one to me. They need to change or will find themselves without any product to sell.
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So who advocates for the current leadership? Looks like no one to me. They need to change or will find themselves without any product to sell.
wrote on 11 Aug 2020, 21:26 last edited bySo who advocates for the current leadership? Looks like no one to me. They need to change or will find themselves without any product to sell.
Right but the same thing happened to companies who didn't want to keep hiring women post-WW2. Sure, the cat was out of the bag but at the time, many didn't know that. It was tried. Same here, today. Just because it's obvious they're shooting themselves in the foot doesn't mean they and many other organizations even know that. Over time it'll work out for me and maybe for them if they learn their lesson, but meanwhile it's another bullshit night in suck city.
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Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.
That's absolutely the plan.
Perhaps the team will coalesce around a new goal: get rid of the current department head and put you in charge.
@brenda I can't think of a better definition of hell on earth than to be even more beholden to these people than I already am. And it'd never happen anyway. I have no advocates there, aside form my boss, who also has no advocates.
wrote on 11 Aug 2020, 21:37 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:
Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.
That's absolutely the plan.
Perhaps the team will coalesce around a new goal: get rid of the current department head and put you in charge.
@brenda I can't think of a better definition of hell on earth ...
@Aqua-Letifer,
LOL I still like the idea.And it'd never happen anyway. I have no advocates there, aside form my boss, who also has no advocates.
@Aqua-Letifer
I dunno about that. Sounds to me like your department has a good number in favor of working remotely, based on the meeting-after-the-meeting.The meeting-after-the-meeting is often when real action gets formulated. Just sayin'.
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wrote on 11 Aug 2020, 23:19 last edited by
My boss reached out to HR today to get assurances that there would be no retaliation against an employee who stated that they choose not to return to the office.
HR troll said, no, no, it would be completely voluntary. But, and I'm quoting here, "I would think that the rest of you would want to meet with your department head, wouldn't you? She might ask you all to just meet informally, and take you all out to lunch to get to know one another better. I would think that the rest of you would want to do that, wouldn't you?"
I've worked with these people for a few years. I'm telling you right now that if we don't go in, we're going to lose our jobs.
So my question to you all is, what would you do if it were you and this was your situation?
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wrote on 11 Aug 2020, 23:35 last edited by
Document the hell out of the meeting and what was said. Make sure everyone else does the same.
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Document the hell out of the meeting and what was said. Make sure everyone else does the same.
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I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.
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My boss reached out to HR today to get assurances that there would be no retaliation against an employee who stated that they choose not to return to the office.
HR troll said, no, no, it would be completely voluntary. But, and I'm quoting here, "I would think that the rest of you would want to meet with your department head, wouldn't you? She might ask you all to just meet informally, and take you all out to lunch to get to know one another better. I would think that the rest of you would want to do that, wouldn't you?"
I've worked with these people for a few years. I'm telling you right now that if we don't go in, we're going to lose our jobs.
So my question to you all is, what would you do if it were you and this was your situation?
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I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.
wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:08 last edited byI don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.
They're firing my co-worker. They're going through with it.
And I'm next.
That's not paranoia talking, my boss was told that I'll be next.
They're removing my co-worker's position, that's how they're handling that one. With me they're going to try gross negligence. Our dept head is getting help with that. "Well I've heard from some people that he's doing an okay job but from others, there have been very serious concerns."
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I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.
They're firing my co-worker. They're going through with it.
And I'm next.
That's not paranoia talking, my boss was told that I'll be next.
They're removing my co-worker's position, that's how they're handling that one. With me they're going to try gross negligence. Our dept head is getting help with that. "Well I've heard from some people that he's doing an okay job but from others, there have been very serious concerns."
wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:10 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:
I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.
They're firing my co-worker. They're going through with it.
And I'm next.
That's not paranoia talking, my boss was told that I'll be next.
They're removing my co-worker's position, that's how they're handling that one. With me they're going to try gross negligence. Our dept head is getting help with that. "Well I've heard from some people that he's doing an okay job but from others, there have been very serious concerns."
Well, you can always offer to be laid off, rather than be fired for cause. At least that way, you get your unemployment.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:11 last edited by
Probably a stupid question, but is it possible to join a union of some sort - do you have time?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:
I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.
They're firing my co-worker. They're going through with it.
And I'm next.
That's not paranoia talking, my boss was told that I'll be next.
They're removing my co-worker's position, that's how they're handling that one. With me they're going to try gross negligence. Our dept head is getting help with that. "Well I've heard from some people that he's doing an okay job but from others, there have been very serious concerns."
Well, you can always offer to be laid off, rather than be fired for cause. At least that way, you get your unemployment.
wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:12 last edited byWell, you can always offer to be laid off, rather than be fired for cause. At least that way, you get your unemployment.
They're not going to do that shit. These people are evil. When my other co-worker was fired back in June, he even offered to help them transition for as long as is needed. Our dept head didn't go for it. "I'm not giving that asshole anything. " Direct quote.
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Probably a stupid question, but is it possible to join a union of some sort - do you have time?
wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:12 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Mutiny:
Probably a stupid question, but is it possible to join a union of some sort - do you have time?
I have maybe about 2-3 weeks. After that I can't guarantee anything. Is that enough time?
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wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:12 last edited by
You will most likely get your unemployment anyway. Disagreeing is not likely to be seen as willful disobedience.
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You will most likely get your unemployment anyway. Disagreeing is not likely to be seen as willful disobedience.
wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:13 last edited byYou will most likely get your unemployment anyway. Disagreeing is not likely to be seen as willful disobedience.
They're going to try very hard. And they're going to have the support of HR and two other department heads. All I have are a mountain of emails saying what they received was great. So I'm figuring out how to archive all of that now.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:15 last edited by
Just print it and scan it.
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wrote on 14 Aug 2020, 17:24 last edited by
Oh, man. Hope you come out okay in this mess.
