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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    You can relax. You are very safe where you are now, if not happy. But continue looking until it is the position you want rather than just an escape hatch.

    β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      brenda
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      #5

      So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?

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      • brendaB brenda

        So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?

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        Aqua Letifer
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        #6

        @brenda said in Mutiny:

        So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?

        Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.

        But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @brenda said in Mutiny:

          So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?

          Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.

          But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.

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          brenda
          wrote on last edited by
          #7

          @Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:

          @brenda said in Mutiny:

          So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?

          Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.

          But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.

          Perhaps the team will coalesce around a new goal: get rid of the current department head and put you in charge. πŸ™‚

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          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

            @brenda said in Mutiny:

            So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?

            Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.

            But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.

            MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            @Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:

            @brenda said in Mutiny:

            So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?

            Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.

            But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.

            If they were truly coming after you you would already be gone. Relax. You're in the clear. Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.

            β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              @Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:

              @brenda said in Mutiny:

              So you'll stay at the current place until the requirement of being in the office resurfaces?

              Well, that's going to happen tomorrow or Monday, when this B.S. comes to a head. And then afterward we play the game of how the dept head will try to retaliate against us. It will absolutely be tried.

              But yeah, a paycheck's a paycheck. I don't consider it money anymore, it's time I buy myself for when I'm let go, for whatever reason it turns out to be. So yeah, I'll stay there as I can but my priority is going to be the work I do for my old boss and company, since it's an income and they have no problem with me working remotely.

              If they were truly coming after you you would already be gone. Relax. You're in the clear. Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              @Mik said in Mutiny:

              Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.

              That's absolutely the plan.

              Perhaps the team will coalesce around a new goal: get rid of the current department head and put you in charge. πŸ™‚

              @brenda I can't think of a better definition of hell on earth than to be even more beholden to these people than I already am. And it'd never happen anyway. I have no advocates there, aside form my boss, who also has no advocates.

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                So who advocates for the current leadership? Looks like no one to me. They need to change or will find themselves without any product to sell.

                β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  So who advocates for the current leadership? Looks like no one to me. They need to change or will find themselves without any product to sell.

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                  Aqua Letifer
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                  #11

                  @Mik said in Mutiny:

                  So who advocates for the current leadership? Looks like no one to me. They need to change or will find themselves without any product to sell.

                  Right but the same thing happened to companies who didn't want to keep hiring women post-WW2. Sure, the cat was out of the bag but at the time, many didn't know that. It was tried. Same here, today. Just because it's obvious they're shooting themselves in the foot doesn't mean they and many other organizations even know that. Over time it'll work out for me and maybe for them if they learn their lesson, but meanwhile it's another bullshit night in suck city.

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                    @Mik said in Mutiny:

                    Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.

                    That's absolutely the plan.

                    Perhaps the team will coalesce around a new goal: get rid of the current department head and put you in charge. πŸ™‚

                    @brenda I can't think of a better definition of hell on earth than to be even more beholden to these people than I already am. And it'd never happen anyway. I have no advocates there, aside form my boss, who also has no advocates.

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                    brenda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:

                    @Mik said in Mutiny:

                    Just keep your head down for a while and don't perpetuate the argument.

                    That's absolutely the plan.

                    Perhaps the team will coalesce around a new goal: get rid of the current department head and put you in charge. πŸ™‚

                    @brenda I can't think of a better definition of hell on earth ...
                    @Aqua-Letifer,
                    LOL I still like the idea.

                    And it'd never happen anyway. I have no advocates there, aside form my boss, who also has no advocates.
                    @Aqua-Letifer
                    I dunno about that. Sounds to me like your department has a good number in favor of working remotely, based on the meeting-after-the-meeting.

                    The meeting-after-the-meeting is often when real action gets formulated. Just sayin'.

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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      My boss reached out to HR today to get assurances that there would be no retaliation against an employee who stated that they choose not to return to the office.

                      HR troll said, no, no, it would be completely voluntary. But, and I'm quoting here, "I would think that the rest of you would want to meet with your department head, wouldn't you? She might ask you all to just meet informally, and take you all out to lunch to get to know one another better. I would think that the rest of you would want to do that, wouldn't you?"

                      I've worked with these people for a few years. I'm telling you right now that if we don't go in, we're going to lose our jobs.

                      So my question to you all is, what would you do if it were you and this was your situation?

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        Document the hell out of the meeting and what was said. Make sure everyone else does the same.

                        β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          Document the hell out of the meeting and what was said. Make sure everyone else does the same.

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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          @Mik said in Mutiny:

                          Document the hell out of the meeting and what was said. Make sure everyone else does the same.

                          Done. But do what with it? Wait to get fired, then get legal, right?

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #16

                            I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.

                            β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                              My boss reached out to HR today to get assurances that there would be no retaliation against an employee who stated that they choose not to return to the office.

                              HR troll said, no, no, it would be completely voluntary. But, and I'm quoting here, "I would think that the rest of you would want to meet with your department head, wouldn't you? She might ask you all to just meet informally, and take you all out to lunch to get to know one another better. I would think that the rest of you would want to do that, wouldn't you?"

                              I've worked with these people for a few years. I'm telling you right now that if we don't go in, we're going to lose our jobs.

                              So my question to you all is, what would you do if it were you and this was your situation?

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              • MikM Mik

                                I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.

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                                Aqua Letifer
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                                #18

                                @Mik said in Mutiny:

                                I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.

                                They're firing my co-worker. They're going through with it.

                                And I'm next.

                                That's not paranoia talking, my boss was told that I'll be next.

                                They're removing my co-worker's position, that's how they're handling that one. With me they're going to try gross negligence. Our dept head is getting help with that. "Well I've heard from some people that he's doing an okay job but from others, there have been very serious concerns."

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @Mik said in Mutiny:

                                  I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.

                                  They're firing my co-worker. They're going through with it.

                                  And I'm next.

                                  That's not paranoia talking, my boss was told that I'll be next.

                                  They're removing my co-worker's position, that's how they're handling that one. With me they're going to try gross negligence. Our dept head is getting help with that. "Well I've heard from some people that he's doing an okay job but from others, there have been very serious concerns."

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #19

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:

                                  @Mik said in Mutiny:

                                  I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.

                                  They're firing my co-worker. They're going through with it.

                                  And I'm next.

                                  That's not paranoia talking, my boss was told that I'll be next.

                                  They're removing my co-worker's position, that's how they're handling that one. With me they're going to try gross negligence. Our dept head is getting help with that. "Well I've heard from some people that he's doing an okay job but from others, there have been very serious concerns."

                                  Well, you can always offer to be laid off, rather than be fired for cause. At least that way, you get your unemployment.

                                  β€œCry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". β€” Buck Sexton

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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    #20

                                    Probably a stupid question, but is it possible to join a union of some sort - do you have time?

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Mutiny:

                                      @Mik said in Mutiny:

                                      I don't think they give a crap where you work as long as the revenue stream is uninterrupted. I drove through a large office park today and the car volume was maybe 20% of what it normally is. Working from home is not an anomaly anymore.

                                      They're firing my co-worker. They're going through with it.

                                      And I'm next.

                                      That's not paranoia talking, my boss was told that I'll be next.

                                      They're removing my co-worker's position, that's how they're handling that one. With me they're going to try gross negligence. Our dept head is getting help with that. "Well I've heard from some people that he's doing an okay job but from others, there have been very serious concerns."

                                      Well, you can always offer to be laid off, rather than be fired for cause. At least that way, you get your unemployment.

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #21

                                      @Jolly said in Mutiny:

                                      Well, you can always offer to be laid off, rather than be fired for cause. At least that way, you get your unemployment.

                                      They're not going to do that shit. These people are evil. When my other co-worker was fired back in June, he even offered to help them transition for as long as is needed. Our dept head didn't go for it. "I'm not giving that asshole anything. " Direct quote.

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        Probably a stupid question, but is it possible to join a union of some sort - do you have time?

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                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        #22

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Mutiny:

                                        Probably a stupid question, but is it possible to join a union of some sort - do you have time?

                                        I have maybe about 2-3 weeks. After that I can't guarantee anything. Is that enough time?

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #23

                                          You will most likely get your unemployment anyway. Disagreeing is not likely to be seen as willful disobedience.

                                          β€œI am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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