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@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
Why was the Putin interview disgusting to you?
Seriously?
It wasn't just the interview. In fact, the interview wasn't the worst part. Going around Moscow implying that Russians have a better life than Americans? Fuck's sake, Horace.
People frequently accuse liberals of hating and betraying American values. What would you call what Carson did other than that? Just asking questions? Truth-telling? Lifting the lid on Western propaganda?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
Why was the Putin interview disgusting to you?
Seriously?
Yes, seriously. Get your fainting couch ready. I don't actually think you have much of a point here. You are engaged in an outrage ritual because your tribe is outraged.
It wasn't just the interview. In fact, the interview wasn't the worst part. Going around Moscow implying that Russians have a better life than Americans? Fuck's sake, Horace.
People frequently accuse liberals of hating and betraying American values. What would you call what Carson did other than that? Just asking questions? Truth-telling? Lifting the lid on Western propaganda?
I listened to the interview but I'm not familiar with his commentary on Russia. Having looked, he said the subways were clean? Is there something else? To be clear, it's your contention that an "American values" pundit can't compare America disfavorably with other countries in certain specific aspects, without running afoul of their stated principles?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
Why was the Putin interview disgusting to you?
Seriously?
Yes, seriously. Get your fainting couch ready. I don't actually think you have much of a point here. You are engaged in an outrage ritual because your tribe is outraged.
It wasn't just the interview. In fact, the interview wasn't the worst part. Going around Moscow implying that Russians have a better life than Americans? Fuck's sake, Horace.
People frequently accuse liberals of hating and betraying American values. What would you call what Carson did other than that? Just asking questions? Truth-telling? Lifting the lid on Western propaganda?
I listened to the interview but I'm not familiar with his commentary on Russia. Having looked, he said the subways were clean? Is there something else? To be clear, it's your contention that an "American values" pundit can't compare America disfavorably with other countries in certain specific aspects, without running afoul of their stated principles?
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
I listened to the interview but I'm not familiar with his commentary on Russia. Having looked, he said the subways were clean? Is there something else? To be clear, it's your contention that an "American values" pundit can't compare America disfavorably with other countries in certain specific aspects, without running afoul of their stated principles?
He went to a Moscow supermarket and commented on the fact that Russian groceries were so much cheaper than in America.
“Coming to a Russian grocery store – the heart of evil – and seeing what things cost and how people live. It will radicalise you against our leaders. That’s how I feel anyway – radicalised,”
He was so angry at America because a typical weekly shop for Russian groceries cost $104 a week, and he was either too ill-informed to know, or deliberately neglected to point out, that Russians typically earn around $200 a week, and that typically more than 60% of Russians spend more than half their salary on food. I'm kinda' thinking he knew full well what Russians earn. The alternative explanation is that he's a really, really bad journalist and actually quite a stupid individual.
You can Google the actual clip if you're genuinely interested.
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@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
I listened to the interview but I'm not familiar with his commentary on Russia. Having looked, he said the subways were clean? Is there something else? To be clear, it's your contention that an "American values" pundit can't compare America disfavorably with other countries in certain specific aspects, without running afoul of their stated principles?
He went to a Moscow supermarket and commented on the fact that Russian groceries were so much cheaper than in America.
“Coming to a Russian grocery store – the heart of evil – and seeing what things cost and how people live. It will radicalise you against our leaders. That’s how I feel anyway – radicalised,”
He was so angry at America because a typical weekly shop for Russian groceries cost $104 a week, and he was either too ill-informed to know, or deliberately neglected to point out, that Russians typically earn around $200 a week, and that typically more than 60% of Russians spend more than half their salary on food. I'm kinda' thinking he knew full well what Russians earn. The alternative explanation is that he's a really, really bad journalist and actually quite a stupid individual.
You can Google the actual clip if you're genuinely interested.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
I listened to the interview but I'm not familiar with his commentary on Russia. Having looked, he said the subways were clean? Is there something else? To be clear, it's your contention that an "American values" pundit can't compare America disfavorably with other countries in certain specific aspects, without running afoul of their stated principles?
He went to a Moscow supermarket and commented on the fact that Russian groceries were so much cheaper than in America.
“Coming to a Russian grocery store – the heart of evil – and seeing what things cost and how people live. It will radicalise you against our leaders. That’s how I feel anyway – radicalised,”
He was so angry at America because a typical weekly shop for Russian groceries cost $104 a week, and he was either too ill-informed to know, or deliberately neglected to point out, that Russians typically earn around $200 a week, and that typically more than 60% of Russians spend more than half their salary on food. I'm kinda' thinking he knew full well what Russians earn. The alternative explanation is that he's a really, really bad journalist and actually quite a stupid individual.
You can Google the actual clip if you're genuinely interested.
Yes agreed that that's all quite stupid and unduly favorable to Russia with a willful avoidance of certain facts.
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If Rachel Maddow went to Russia and said/did what Carlson said/did, there’d be relentless and passionate disdain for her from all conservatives.
@89th said in Hannity Offers:
If Rachel Maddow went to Russia and said/did what Carlson said/did, there’d be relentless and passionate disdain for her from all conservatives.
That's an odd thought experiment, since she's already held in contempt by the other tribe. But it's absolutely par for the course for a lefty to compare America disfavorably with other countries, and in the process use dubious logic. It wouldn't appear on the radar of conservatives.
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As far as Tucker is concerned, the phrase much loved by conservatives during the cold war, to wit - "If you like Russia so much, why don't you go and fucking live there?", springs to mind.
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As far as Tucker is concerned, the phrase much loved by conservatives during the cold war, to wit - "If you like Russia so much, why don't you go and fucking live there?", springs to mind.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
As far as Tucker is concerned, the phrase much loved by conservatives during the cold war, to wit - "If you like Russia so much, why don't you go and fucking live there?", springs to mind.
He's very clear in the interview I listened to recently that he thinks Russia is garbage compared to the US overall. He's particularly fond of the free speech one is granted in America.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
As far as Tucker is concerned, the phrase much loved by conservatives during the cold war, to wit - "If you like Russia so much, why don't you go and fucking live there?", springs to mind.
He's very clear in the interview I listened to recently that he thinks Russia is garbage compared to the US overall. He's particularly fond of the free speech one is granted in America.
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
As far as Tucker is concerned, the phrase much loved by conservatives during the cold war, to wit - "If you like Russia so much, why don't you go and fucking live there?", springs to mind.
He's very clear in the interview I listened to recently that he thinks Russia is garbage compared to the US overall. He's particularly fond of the free speech one is granted in America.
So apparently he’s not consistent after all, because that guy was practically nursing a semi when he went grocery shopping in Moscow, and claimed to have been radicalized.
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@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
As far as Tucker is concerned, the phrase much loved by conservatives during the cold war, to wit - "If you like Russia so much, why don't you go and fucking live there?", springs to mind.
He's very clear in the interview I listened to recently that he thinks Russia is garbage compared to the US overall. He's particularly fond of the free speech one is granted in America.
So apparently he’s not consistent after all, because that guy was practically nursing a semi when he went grocery shopping in Moscow, and claimed to have been radicalized.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
As far as Tucker is concerned, the phrase much loved by conservatives during the cold war, to wit - "If you like Russia so much, why don't you go and fucking live there?", springs to mind.
He's very clear in the interview I listened to recently that he thinks Russia is garbage compared to the US overall. He's particularly fond of the free speech one is granted in America.
So apparently he’s not consistent after all, because that guy was practically nursing a semi when he went grocery shopping in Moscow, and claimed to have been radicalized.
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
As far as Tucker is concerned, the phrase much loved by conservatives during the cold war, to wit - "If you like Russia so much, why don't you go and fucking live there?", springs to mind.
He's very clear in the interview I listened to recently that he thinks Russia is garbage compared to the US overall. He's particularly fond of the free speech one is granted in America.
So apparently he’s not consistent after all, because that guy was practically nursing a semi when he went grocery shopping in Moscow, and claimed to have been radicalized.
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'. What was his intent in that show?
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@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'. What was his intent in that show?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
Please love yourself.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
So why do the pro-Russia propoganda bullshit? Because that's what it looked like to me. The idea that he didn't realise that $107 is worth considerably more money in Russia than it is in the US is hard to swallow unless you believe that he's an imbecile.
I was only joking
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@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
So why do the pro-Russia propoganda bullshit? Because that's what it looked like to me. The idea that he didn't realise that $107 is worth considerably more money in Russia than it is in the US is hard to swallow unless you believe that he's an imbecile.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
So why do the pro-Russia propoganda bullshit? Because that's what it looked like to me. The idea that he didn't realise that $107 is worth considerably more money in Russia than it is in the US is hard to swallow unless you believe that he's an imbecile.
“Pro-Russian propaganda bullshit” and “imbecile” are not mutually exclusive.
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@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
Of course all leaders do that. I don't think there is such a thing as a world leader who should never be interviewed.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
So why do the pro-Russia propoganda bullshit? Because that's what it looked like to me. The idea that he didn't realise that $107 is worth considerably more money in Russia than it is in the US is hard to swallow unless you believe that he's an imbecile.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
So why do the pro-Russia propoganda bullshit? Because that's what it looked like to me. The idea that he didn't realise that $107 is worth considerably more money in Russia than it is in the US is hard to swallow unless you believe that he's an imbecile.
I think it was a throwaway comment, a stupid one, from what you've told me about it. His intent was to say something nice about Russia, probably to offset what he sees as an imbalanced negativity in America. This is a completely common rhetorical device. There's probably someone saying something nice about Gaza in a mainstream news outlet as we speak, because they feel it's important to do so. That doesn't mean they're in love with Gaza.
Education is extremely important.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
Of course all leaders do that. I don't think there is such a thing as a world leader who should never be interviewed.
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
Of course all leaders do that. I don't think there is such a thing as a world leader who should never be interviewed.
So you think Putin's just another world leader and not a war criminal who has it out for the U.S.?
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@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
Of course all leaders do that. I don't think there is such a thing as a world leader who should never be interviewed.
So you think Putin's just another world leader and not a war criminal who has it out for the U.S.?
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
Of course all leaders do that. I don't think there is such a thing as a world leader who should never be interviewed.
So you think Putin's just another world leader and not a war criminal who has it out for the U.S.?
I am ok with a war criminal who has it out for the US being interviewed.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
Of course all leaders do that. I don't think there is such a thing as a world leader who should never be interviewed.
So you think Putin's just another world leader and not a war criminal who has it out for the U.S.?
I am ok with a war criminal who has it out for the US being interviewed.
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hannity Offers:
@Horace said in Hannity Offers:
So Tucker has calculated, as the cynical grifter that he is, that his audience wants to be told that Russia is better than America. Interesting perspective.
No, that's not what I think, but this isn't really about what I think, it's about why Tucker did what he did.
You tell me, why do you think he was being so pro Russia in his creepy Putin show?
You're the one who once said that 'Tucker was good people'.
And that means I support everything he says. Yes I know how this goes.
What was his intent in that show?
I would think his main intent was to give insight into Putin's perspective. His opposition to the US's current level of support of Ukraine is obviously a factor.
And so you think that Putin actually gave his perspective and didn't use the interview as a potential manipulation platform?
Of course all leaders do that. I don't think there is such a thing as a world leader who should never be interviewed.
So you think Putin's just another world leader and not a war criminal who has it out for the U.S.?
I am ok with a war criminal who has it out for the US being interviewed.
I'm not because the interviewer, as Phibes described, was trying to paint a ludicrous picture.
