Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools
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MIT, Dartmouth, and now Yale want standardized tests scores to evaluate applicants:
https://admissions.yale.edu/test-flexible
… Yale’s research from before and after the pandemic has consistently demonstrated that, among all application components, test scores are the single greatest predictor of a student’s future Yale grades. This is true even after controlling for family income and other demographic variables, and it is true for subject-based exams such as AP and IB, in addition to the ACT and SAT.
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IQ doesn't matter though.
It's some other factor that affects one's performance on that test, and which continues to affect one's life outcomes, long after school.
Some other factor that isn't family income or other demographic variables.
What we know for certain, is that IQ doesn't matter.
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IQ doesn't matter though.
It's some other factor that affects one's performance on that test, and which continues to affect one's life outcomes, long after school.
Some other factor that isn't family income or other demographic variables.
What we know for certain, is that IQ doesn't matter.
@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
What we know for certain, is that IQ doesn't matter.
That's right. Diversity does.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
What we know for certain, is that IQ doesn't matter.
That's right. Diversity does.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/03/05/brown-university-reinstates-sat-act-requirement/
Brown University will again require that applicants submit standardized-test scores, university officials announced Tuesday, making it the third Ivy League school to reinstate that pre-pandemic admission norm in recent weeks.
The school will continue to give an advantage to applicants whose parents attended or work at Brown, and will still allow students to apply early, if they choose.
Like officials at Yale University and Dartmouth College, both of which recently announced they would resume requiring standardized tests from applicants, officials at Brown said research indicated that SAT and ACT scores are highly predictive of students’ academic performance in college.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/03/05/brown-university-reinstates-sat-act-requirement/
Brown University will again require that applicants submit standardized-test scores, university officials announced Tuesday, making it the third Ivy League school to reinstate that pre-pandemic admission norm in recent weeks.
The school will continue to give an advantage to applicants whose parents attended or work at Brown, and will still allow students to apply early, if they choose.
Like officials at Yale University and Dartmouth College, both of which recently announced they would resume requiring standardized tests from applicants, officials at Brown said research indicated that SAT and ACT scores are highly predictive of students’ academic performance in college.
@George-K said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/03/05/brown-university-reinstates-sat-act-requirement/
Brown University will again require that applicants submit standardized-test scores, university officials announced Tuesday, making it the third Ivy League school to reinstate that pre-pandemic admission norm in recent weeks.
Despite it's name, only 7.8% of students at Brown are African American, so it's not like diversity was exactly running amok.
(42% are white, and 20% are "non-resident alien" which I never realised was a race.)
I was only joking
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… and 20% are "non-resident alien" which I never realised it is a race.
It would seem that in the US it is. Up here we just call them foreign students or students on visas. Usually the former.
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@George-K said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/03/05/brown-university-reinstates-sat-act-requirement/
Brown University will again require that applicants submit standardized-test scores, university officials announced Tuesday, making it the third Ivy League school to reinstate that pre-pandemic admission norm in recent weeks.
Despite it's name, only 7.8% of students at Brown are African American, so it's not like diversity was exactly running amok.
(42% are white, and 20% are "non-resident alien" which I never realised was a race.)
@Doctor-Phibes said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
@George-K said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/03/05/brown-university-reinstates-sat-act-requirement/
Brown University will again require that applicants submit standardized-test scores, university officials announced Tuesday, making it the third Ivy League school to reinstate that pre-pandemic admission norm in recent weeks.
Despite it's name, only 7.8% of students at Brown are African American, so it's not like diversity was exactly running amok.
(42% are white, and 20% are "non-resident alien" which I never realised was a race.)
So one question is whether those categories are mutually exclusive. It's a well known trick of universities to admit minorities of high diversity value from wealthy families outside of America in order to pad their diversity statistics.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
@George-K said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/03/05/brown-university-reinstates-sat-act-requirement/
Brown University will again require that applicants submit standardized-test scores, university officials announced Tuesday, making it the third Ivy League school to reinstate that pre-pandemic admission norm in recent weeks.
Despite it's name, only 7.8% of students at Brown are African American, so it's not like diversity was exactly running amok.
(42% are white, and 20% are "non-resident alien" which I never realised was a race.)
So one question is whether those categories are mutually exclusive. It's a well known trick of universities to admit minorities of high diversity value from wealthy families outside of America in order to pad their diversity statistics.
@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
So one question is whether those categories are mutually exclusive. It's a well known trick of universities to admit minorities of high diversity value from wealthy families outside of America in order to pad their diversity statistics.
It's safe to assume a decent number of foreign students are from China, but I'd guess a fair number are from Europe too.
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@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
So one question is whether those categories are mutually exclusive. It's a well known trick of universities to admit minorities of high diversity value from wealthy families outside of America in order to pad their diversity statistics.
It's safe to assume a decent number of foreign students are from China, but I'd guess a fair number are from Europe too.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
So one question is whether those categories are mutually exclusive. It's a well known trick of universities to admit minorities of high diversity value from wealthy families outside of America in order to pad their diversity statistics.
It's safe to assume a decent number of foreign students are from China, but I'd guess a fair number are from Europe too.
There are wealthy families in Africa and the Caribbean too. Claudine Gay's family being one.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
So one question is whether those categories are mutually exclusive. It's a well known trick of universities to admit minorities of high diversity value from wealthy families outside of America in order to pad their diversity statistics.
It's safe to assume a decent number of foreign students are from China, but I'd guess a fair number are from Europe too.
There are wealthy families in Africa and the Caribbean too. Claudine Gay's family being one.
@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
There are wealthy families in Africa and the Caribbean too. Claudine Gay's family being one.
Well, they don't say 'Black' in their statistics, but 'African-American', and there's only 7.8%, so I can't imagine they're fiddling the stats very much.
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@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
There are wealthy families in Africa and the Caribbean too. Claudine Gay's family being one.
Well, they don't say 'Black' in their statistics, but 'African-American', and there's only 7.8%, so I can't imagine they're fiddling the stats very much.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
@Horace said in Standardized Tests Back in Vogue for “Elite” Schools:
There are wealthy families in Africa and the Caribbean too. Claudine Gay's family being one.
Well, they don't say 'Black' in their statistics, but 'African-American', and there's only 7.8%, so I can't imagine they're fiddling the stats very much.
It's well established that they've fiddled with admissions plenty to get even those stats. I guess the % of black students might go up if they distributed the 20% foreign by race, but I don't know.
