Trump loses in NY
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@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:
The decision is a potential blow to ... Trump's ... persona
Yeah the courts engaging in lawfare against him will definitely put a dent in his reputation. Probably lose lots of votes over this. Falling off so many pedestals. Good journalism, insightful and perceptive.
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Wait, is this the one where the attorney argued Mar-A-Lago was only worth $10 Million or some ridiculously small amount?
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ABC this afternoon waws talking about its assessed value on the county rolls, which is ridiculous. They were throwing out all sorts of nonsense numbers and the implication was NY was about to get strict about this stuff. After they've been looking the other way for decades, if not centuries. I'm not a fan, but this stinks to high heaven.
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Interesting reasoning by the judge. He says it wasn't a serious crime, but fined Trump because refused to admit it.
"Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again. This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin. Defendants did not commit murder or arson. They did not rob a bank at gunpoint. Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways," Engoron wrote.
"Defendants’ refusal to admit error — indeed, to continue it, according to the Independent Monitor — constrains this Court to conclude that they will engage in it going forward unless judicially restrained," he added.
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Did the judge actually show how they defrauded anyone?
Isn't the whole point of a trial based on the defendant's refusal to accept the allegation of guilt? If not, why bother with a trial at all?
I wonder if this is a reversible error on appeal.
He'll have to post bond to appeal - in the amount of the judgment.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@xenon said in Trump loses in NY:
Did they? In the article it says he lied about things like the square footage of property to pay less on loans and insurance.
I didn't see that in the article.
But any lender and insurer should have done due diligence in assessing the properties. They sure did when I applied for a HELOC and insurance.
Oh, and the fact that the judge found Michael Cohen, Michael Cohen, a credible witness...LOL.
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@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:
@xenon said in Trump loses in NY:
Did they? In the article it says he lied about things like the square footage of property to pay less on loans and insurance.
I didn't see that in the article.
But any lender and insurer should have done due diligence in assessing the properties. They sure did when I applied for a HELOC and insurance.
Oh, and the fact that the judge found Michael Cohen, Michael Cohen, a credible witness...LOL.
You're right. I read the insurance and loans thing in this article. But the square foot thing was in another.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump loses in NY:
Does the law require that? Are judges supposed to show fraud? What’s the prosecutor supposed to do?
I mistyped. You're right of course.
Did the prosecution show who was defrauded? My understanding is that banks signed off on the loans and were repaid.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:
@jon-nyc said in Trump loses in NY:
Did the prosecution show who was defrauded? My understanding is that banks signed off on the loans and were repaid.
Does the law require that? Does fraud require monetary loss or is the deception sufficient?
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Maybe this:
Fraudulent misrepresentation is a tort claim, typically arising in the field of contract law, that occurs when a defendant makes a intentional or reckless misrepresentation of fact or opinion with the intention to coerce a party into action or inaction on the basis of that misrepresentation.
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@Mik said in Trump loses in NY:
I will reserve judgement until the banks who were either grossly negligent or a willing participant are charged as well.
I’d imagine Trump had a history of paying back his loans and/or the banks were duped by Trump’s golden business man reputation, which as we now know has seen a LONG trail of bankrupt Trump brands behind it and as this trial points out, a history of saying things like his penthouse was 30,000 square feet instead of the real 11,000. Or that it was worth 5x more than what it was, or with maralago, inflating its value from like 70 million to 400 million. Apparently he did this with over a dozen properties over the years…at some point, you gotta pay for the fraud.
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@89th said in Trump loses in NY:
@Mik said in Trump loses in NY:
I will reserve judgement until the banks who were either grossly negligent or a willing participant are charged as well.
I’d imagine Trump had a history of paying back his loans and/or the banks were duped by Trump’s golden business man reputation, which as we now know has seen a LONG trail of bankrupt Trump brands behind it and as this trial points out, a history of saying things like his penthouse was 30,000 square feet instead of the real 11,000. Or that it was worth 5x more than what it was, or with maralago, inflating its value from like 70 million to 400 million. Apparently he did this with over a dozen properties over the years…at some point, you gotta pay for the fraud.
Not going to discuss the Penthouse, because I honestly don’t know, but Mar-A-Lago is EASILY worth $500 Million in property, alone.
I’m no Trump fan, but facts are facts.
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Donald Trump’s tax broker was forced to admit to authorities in 2020 that Mar-a-Lago had a market value of just $27 million — not the $517 million claimed in other documents, trial evidence revealed Monday.
Trump, 77, also allegedly boasted of having a net worth of up to $5 billion — likely more than double what he really had — to land the coveted lease to a New York City golf course in 2010, according to documents.
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89th, look at the properties surrounding Mar-A-Lago -
$45 Million, $50 Million, $25 Million… and these are properties that aren’t on the ocean front. And aren’t 1/30th the size.
$500 Million is probably undervalued.
