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    George K
    wrote on 14 Feb 2024, 20:12 last edited by
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    Let’s go Brandon!

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Mik
      wrote on 14 Feb 2024, 20:18 last edited by
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      Do we really need to point out the fallacy in his thinking?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        George K
        wrote on 14 Feb 2024, 20:37 last edited by
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        It’s sorta like Willie Sutton.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Copper
          wrote on 14 Feb 2024, 21:18 last edited by
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          Minorities disproportionately target minorities

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            George K
            wrote on 15 Feb 2024, 00:27 last edited by
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            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Mik
              wrote on 15 Feb 2024, 01:31 last edited by
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              I really didn’t think it could get worse than his predecessor.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                89th
                wrote on 15 Feb 2024, 02:58 last edited by
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                Makes no sense.

                Who cares about skin color when you’re being shot?

                Wouldn’t you want more shotspotter investigations to stop shootings around you?

                Is it disproportionate as it relates to false positives or do the minorities disproportionately do more of the shooting?

                So many questions. What idiocy.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 15 Feb 2024, 12:40 last edited by George K
                  #8

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    89th
                    wrote on 15 Feb 2024, 17:45 last edited by
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                    Very impressive.

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 16 Feb 2024, 03:56 last edited by
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                      I feel sad for "normal" people who live in neighborhoods like that. I cannot even imagine what it is like to be afraid of random gun shooting happening right around your house.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 17 Feb 2024, 15:02 last edited by
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                        Even DeBlasio was a fan

                        “Today, we are rolling out cutting edge technology to make the city safer, to make our neighborhoods safer, to keep our officers safer,” said Mayor Bill de Blasio, who appeared with William J. Bratton, the police commissioner, to announce the initiative. “This gunshot detection system is going to do a world of good in terms of going after the bad guys.”
                        Both the mayor and Mr. Bratton stressed that ShotSpotter would help the relationship between the police and the communities where they work while also helping officers respond more quickly to shootings.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 17 Feb 2024, 15:10 last edited by
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                          National Review called (Let's go) Brandon "America's Most Tragically Stupid Mayor."

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 17 Feb 2024, 15:14 last edited by
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                            https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2024/02/16/shotspotter-not-shutting-down-friday

                            The Chicago Police Department will keep its access to the controversial ShotSpotter gunshot detection system after a last-minute deal Friday — hours before the contract was set to expire.

                            Mayor Brandon Johnson’s office hammered out a renewal to the nearly $49 million contract with ShotSpotter’s parent company, SoundThinking, to allow the police department to continue using the technology through Sept. 22, according to statements from the company and mayor's office. The agreement also includes a two-month "transition period" after that date.

                            The police department will work to "revamp operations," enact new training and "further develop response models to gun violence that ultimately reduce shootings," before the contract ends in September, the mayor's office said. Also before the new deadline, the department will issue recommendations after it works with violence prevention organizations and other stakeholders to assess "various tools, data and programs."

                            The frantic negotiations between the city and company came after Johnson’s office announced Tuesday that he was keeping his campaign promise to cut the cord on ShotSpotter but keep it in place until September — after the city's historically violent summer and the Democratic National Convention. But Johnson’s administration hadn’t yet struck a deal to keep ShotSpotter past Friday.

                            OTOH:

                            ShotSpotter has previously received poor reviews, including one in May 2021 by the MacArthur Justice Center at the Northwestern School of Law which found that nearly 86% of police deployments to alerts of gunfire prompted no formal reports of any crime.

                            Another report that August by the city’s Office of the Inspector General concluded the technology rarely leads to investigatory stops or evidence of gun crimes.

                            Last week, the Sun-Times reported the Cook County state’s attorney’s office had conducted a review of ShotSpotter that found the technology had a minimal effect on prosecuting gun violence cases.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              17 Feb 2024, 15:14

                              https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2024/02/16/shotspotter-not-shutting-down-friday

                              The Chicago Police Department will keep its access to the controversial ShotSpotter gunshot detection system after a last-minute deal Friday — hours before the contract was set to expire.

                              Mayor Brandon Johnson’s office hammered out a renewal to the nearly $49 million contract with ShotSpotter’s parent company, SoundThinking, to allow the police department to continue using the technology through Sept. 22, according to statements from the company and mayor's office. The agreement also includes a two-month "transition period" after that date.

                              The police department will work to "revamp operations," enact new training and "further develop response models to gun violence that ultimately reduce shootings," before the contract ends in September, the mayor's office said. Also before the new deadline, the department will issue recommendations after it works with violence prevention organizations and other stakeholders to assess "various tools, data and programs."

                              The frantic negotiations between the city and company came after Johnson’s office announced Tuesday that he was keeping his campaign promise to cut the cord on ShotSpotter but keep it in place until September — after the city's historically violent summer and the Democratic National Convention. But Johnson’s administration hadn’t yet struck a deal to keep ShotSpotter past Friday.

                              OTOH:

                              ShotSpotter has previously received poor reviews, including one in May 2021 by the MacArthur Justice Center at the Northwestern School of Law which found that nearly 86% of police deployments to alerts of gunfire prompted no formal reports of any crime.

                              Another report that August by the city’s Office of the Inspector General concluded the technology rarely leads to investigatory stops or evidence of gun crimes.

                              Last week, the Sun-Times reported the Cook County state’s attorney’s office had conducted a review of ShotSpotter that found the technology had a minimal effect on prosecuting gun violence cases.

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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 03:55 last edited by
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                              @George-K said in Stop shotspotter:

                              ShotSpotter has previously received poor reviews, including one in May 2021 by the MacArthur Justice Center at the Northwestern School of Law which found that nearly 86% of police deployments to alerts of gunfire prompted no formal reports of any crime.

                              My guessing is that the neighborhoods where they have the gunshots, many people do not want to talk or are afraid to talk, so the police cannot find out anything.

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                                18 Feb 2024, 03:55

                                @George-K said in Stop shotspotter:

                                ShotSpotter has previously received poor reviews, including one in May 2021 by the MacArthur Justice Center at the Northwestern School of Law which found that nearly 86% of police deployments to alerts of gunfire prompted no formal reports of any crime.

                                My guessing is that the neighborhoods where they have the gunshots, many people do not want to talk or are afraid to talk, so the police cannot find out anything.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 18 Feb 2024, 12:29 last edited by
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                                @taiwan_girl

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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 23 Feb 2024, 02:03 last edited by
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                                  At this rate, they won't have any money left over to give to the illegal aliens migrants.

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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on 23 Feb 2024, 02:27 last edited by 89th
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                                    So weird he’s extending it before canceling it. From the previous article explaining why:

                                    The police department will work to "revamp operations," enact new training and "further develop response models to gun violence that ultimately reduce shootings," before the contract ends in September, the mayor's office said. Also before the new deadline, the department will issue recommendations after it works with violence prevention organizations and other stakeholders to assess "various tools, data and programs."

                                    LOL can you imagine if the recommended data and tools is, oh I don’t know, to use SHOTSPOTTER?

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 23 Feb 2024, 02:51 last edited by
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                                      As I linked a while ago, there's some controversy as to how effective ShotSpotter is. False alarms may be diverting police resources from actual threats.

                                      OTOH, the fact that (Let's Go!) Brandon Johnson is renewing the contract only until after the Democrats' convention in Chicago smacks me as being more than a bit cynical.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 23 Feb 2024, 03:46 last edited by
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                                        LOL

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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 27 Feb 2024, 13:13 last edited by
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                                          LOL...

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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