I can't stand Black History Month
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@Doctor-Phibes said in I can't stand Black History Month:
@Renauda said in I can't stand Black History Month:
In winter I like to celebrate medieval history by reading two or more monographs on the subject. Just finished a good one entitled The Brothers York by Thomas Penn. Details the lives of Edward IV and his brothers Clarence and Richard who we know as Richard III. One if the better books I have read on the turbulent history of the House of York. Highly recommended.
Yorkshire History Month would be a great idea. An annual reminder for them them of the drubbing they received at the hands of the Lancastrians.
Truth be known both were usurping dynasties of the same bloody family starting with Henry IV. In the end neither side really won. All British monarchs through to the present can trace lineage back to Cecily Neville wife of Richard of York and mother to Edward IV and Richard III through Henry Tudor’s wife, Elizabeth of York who was the daughter of Edward IV.
In any event it came as something of a let down for me to discover our family were most likely Lancastrians owing to whose land we domiciled in the 15th Century. You can take the test here:
@Renauda said in I can't stand Black History Month:
@Doctor-Phibes said in I can't stand Black History Month:
@Renauda said in I can't stand Black History Month:
In winter I like to celebrate medieval history by reading two or more monographs on the subject. Just finished a good one entitled The Brothers York by Thomas Penn. Details the lives of Edward IV and his brothers Clarence and Richard who we know as Richard III. One if the better books I have read on the turbulent history of the House of York. Highly recommended.
Yorkshire History Month would be a great idea. An annual reminder for them them of the drubbing they received at the hands of the Lancastrians.
Truth be known both were usurping dynasties of the same bloody family starting with Henry IV. In the end neither side really won. All British monarchs through to the present can trace lineage back to Cecily Neville wife of Richard of York and mother to Edward IV and Richard III was well as Henry Tudor’s wife, Elizabeth of York.
In any event it came as something of a let down for me to discover our family were most likely Lancastrians owing to whose land we domiciled in the 15th Century. You can take the test here:
Both sides of my family were Lancastrian, it appears. Thank God.
I seem to remember reading that there were actually very few Yorkists in York. They were actually based in Southern England and Wales, so in the parlance of the north, they were a bunch of toffee-nosed bastards and sheep-shaggers.
Incidentally, finding out you're Lancastrian isn't nearly as disappointing as finding out that you're French, which is what happened to me fairly recently.
I was only joking
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@Renauda said in I can't stand Black History Month:
@Doctor-Phibes said in I can't stand Black History Month:
@Renauda said in I can't stand Black History Month:
In winter I like to celebrate medieval history by reading two or more monographs on the subject. Just finished a good one entitled The Brothers York by Thomas Penn. Details the lives of Edward IV and his brothers Clarence and Richard who we know as Richard III. One if the better books I have read on the turbulent history of the House of York. Highly recommended.
Yorkshire History Month would be a great idea. An annual reminder for them them of the drubbing they received at the hands of the Lancastrians.
Truth be known both were usurping dynasties of the same bloody family starting with Henry IV. In the end neither side really won. All British monarchs through to the present can trace lineage back to Cecily Neville wife of Richard of York and mother to Edward IV and Richard III was well as Henry Tudor’s wife, Elizabeth of York.
In any event it came as something of a let down for me to discover our family were most likely Lancastrians owing to whose land we domiciled in the 15th Century. You can take the test here:
Both sides of my family were Lancastrian, it appears. Thank God.
I seem to remember reading that there were actually very few Yorkists in York. They were actually based in Southern England and Wales, so in the parlance of the north, they were a bunch of toffee-nosed bastards and sheep-shaggers.
Incidentally, finding out you're Lancastrian isn't nearly as disappointing as finding out that you're French, which is what happened to me fairly recently.
Incidentally, finding out you're Lancastrian isn't nearly as disappointing as finding out that you're French, which is what happened to me fairly recently.
Both Lancastrians and Yorkists were quite French.
Anyhow my maternal grandfather was for all intents and purposes French. A Savoyard, he was born there (in Chambery) and went to school there and considered himself French despite having an Italian family name.
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@Mik said in I can't stand Black History Month:
Apparently we are from around Manchester, so Lancastrian.
I'm London AF according to my DNA. Even more so than Phibes, much to my dismay.
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@Mik said in I can't stand Black History Month:
Apparently we are from around Manchester, so Lancastrian.
I'm London AF according to my DNA. Even more so than Phibes, much to my dismay.
@Aqua-Letifer said in I can't stand Black History Month:
@Mik said in I can't stand Black History Month:
Apparently we are from around Manchester, so Lancastrian.
I'm London AF according to my DNA. Even more so than Phibes, much to my dismay.
My dad was from Twickenham, my mother was from what is now Greater Manchester, so I'm half and half. The London side of the family originally came from Lancashire and Ireland and some of the Altrincham side came from France, via Brighton.
I'm a mutt, IOW. And proud of it.
At least I'm not Welsh. My wife has Welsh ancestry mixed with Austro-Hungarian. Her great grandfather was an Austrian/Hungarian concert violinist FFS.
I was only joking
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Every month is British History Month.
The future, not so much.
@Doctor-Phibes said in I can't stand Black History Month:
Every month is British History Month.
False. Every month is Roman history month
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Don't want white history month. Or American Indian History Month. Or Japanese History Month.
To quote Yul Brynner, "Etc., etc , etc.".
The strength of America is the defactionalization of the Melting Pot.
We've got some great all-inclusive national holidays...Fourth of July, President's Day, Veteran's Day...Celebrate them as Americans, no matter race, creed or color.
Agreed. Would be nice to focus on and celebrate our collective identity as Americans. It would help the nation heal from past injustices more than one might think.
A melting pot we are, but we need to melt. Otherwise we’re more of a salad that is mixed together but not transformed.
It’s not perfect but I have enjoyed the cultural change going from Northern Virginia to Minnesota. There is a more cohesive feel here whereas in Northern Virginia it was highly fragmented. Pockets of cultures (ethnicity, language, etc) that never mix. No central identity. Somewhat because it’s a transient area where people come for jobs but later leave. In Minnesota, it’s all hot dishes, Scandinavian flags, and passive aggressive niceness.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in I can't stand Black History Month:
@Mik said in I can't stand Black History Month:
Apparently we are from around Manchester, so Lancastrian.
I'm London AF according to my DNA. Even more so than Phibes, much to my dismay.
My dad was from Twickenham, my mother was from what is now Greater Manchester, so I'm half and half. The London side of the family originally came from Lancashire and Ireland and some of the Altrincham side came from France, via Brighton.
I'm a mutt, IOW. And proud of it.
At least I'm not Welsh. My wife has Welsh ancestry mixed with Austro-Hungarian. Her great grandfather was an Austrian/Hungarian concert violinist FFS.
At least I'm not Welsh
You realize the Tudors, all Lancastrians, were Welsh. To top it off, they were also half French.
