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Never joke about hijacking. Never.

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #1

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #2

      Tweet won't load.

      https://www.itechpost.com/articles/120765/20240125/teen-s-bomb-joke-snapchat-leads-fighter-jets-being-deployed.htm

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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        @George-K What do you think that his communication was read from the airport wifi? Should he have expected privacy in his group chat?

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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
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          Not on airport WiFi. They tell you that up front.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          • George KG George K

            Tweet won't load.

            https://www.itechpost.com/articles/120765/20240125/teen-s-bomb-joke-snapchat-leads-fighter-jets-being-deployed.htm

            CopperC Offline
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            Copper
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            #5

            @George-K said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

            Tweet won't load.

            https://www.itechpost.com/articles/120765/20240125/teen-s-bomb-joke-snapchat-leads-fighter-jets-being-deployed.htm

            I don't think I've seen a tweet load here for weeks.

            I'm using the Edge browser.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              I don't understand the technology at play here. I don't think it's as simple as the owner of a public wifi having access to everything that passes through their network. I thought there was still encoding of messages.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • AxtremusA Offline
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                #7

                No application level encryption in this day and age?
                What chat app was he using?

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  No application level encryption in this day and age?
                  What chat app was he using?

                  HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  @Axtremus said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                  No application level encryption in this day and age?
                  What chat app was he using?

                  Snapchat, according to the story. They have to use app level encryption.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    If your data leak just because you’re on “public Wi-Fi,” then your application level encryption failed.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      If your data leak just because you’re on “public Wi-Fi,” then your application level encryption failed.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
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                      #10

                      @Axtremus said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                      If your data leak just because you’re on “public Wi-Fi,” then your application level encryption failed.

                      I think the story is fishy. The only way it makes sense as told, is if the government has specialized technology to look at all the messages in real time. A more plausible explanation for the story is that it is only vaguely related to what actually happened.

                      From a different story about it:

                      British security services are thought to have picked up the message via Gatwick Airport’s public WiFi service, although there was no confirmation at the trial.

                      A pal who gave evidence on his behalf denied a prosecutor’s suggestion one of them could have shared the ‘Taliban bomb joke’ with others outside of their Snapchat group and it might have been picked up that way.

                      My guess is that the joke was shared by one of the intended recipients, and then someone reported it to the authorities.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @Axtremus said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                        No application level encryption in this day and age?
                        What chat app was he using?

                        Snapchat, according to the story. They have to use app level encryption.

                        KlausK Offline
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                        @Horace said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                        @Axtremus said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                        No application level encryption in this day and age?
                        What chat app was he using?

                        Snapchat, according to the story. They have to use app level encryption.

                        Yes, I wondered the same thing.

                        Even TNCR uses https. Even if the chat service the kid used does not offer end-to-end encryption, surely the transmission from the kids phone to the server must have been encrypted.

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                        • 89th8 Offline
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                          89th
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                          #12

                          Can we talk about something more important? The teen tweeted that he was going to bomb the plane, so they launched jets to intercept the plane…..what were they going to do, blow up the plane instead of the teen?

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            I don't understand the technology at play here. I don't think it's as simple as the owner of a public wifi having access to everything that passes through their network. I thought there was still encoding of messages.

                            RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            @Horace said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                            I don't understand the technology at play here. I don't think it's as simple as the owner of a public wifi having access to everything that passes through their network. I thought there was still encoding of messages.

                            I would wager that GCHQ, NSA, CSEC and every other NATO member has that capability 24/7.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Horace said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                              I don't understand the technology at play here. I don't think it's as simple as the owner of a public wifi having access to everything that passes through their network. I thought there was still encoding of messages.

                              I would wager that GCHQ, NSA, CSEC and every other NATO member has that capability 24/7.

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                              @Renauda said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                              @Horace said in Never joke about hijacking. Never.:

                              I don't understand the technology at play here. I don't think it's as simple as the owner of a public wifi having access to everything that passes through their network. I thought there was still encoding of messages.

                              I would wager that GCHQ, NSA, CSEC and every other NATO member has that capability 24/7.

                              That would be not so much advanced technology, as a back door given to them by any given social media company. Good encryption still actually works as an immutable fact of mathematics, at least until quantum computers crack it.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Renauda
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                                #15

                                The point is those state cyber intelligence and communications institutions do it and are pretty damn good at doing it. How they do it is classified. The unwashed, like you and me, do not have a need to know how they do it.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • HoraceH Offline
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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on last edited by Horace
                                  #16

                                  I think it's extremely unlikely that this kid got some fighter jets scrambled because he posted the joke on airport wifi and it was intercepted by advanced secret technology. More likely it was reported by a civilian, and the person so reported to panicked that they didn't want to be the one responsible for an attack they were warned about, considering the warning would surely be made public if the attack occured. If it was secretly intercepted, then it could have been dealt with more reasonably, which is to say, not at all.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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