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taiwan_girl

jon has your back, TG. Presidents are judged on outcome because that's how those judgments are made.

LOL Horace. Good response!

jon-nyc

Sigh.

Presidencies are judged by outcomes because the job actually involves managing events and processes much bigger than the office itself.

Larry

I read the ridiculous "logic" of you Trump bashers, and actually feel sorry for you. I can't tell how much of it is stuff you know you're saying wrong but you say it anyway because of partisanship, and how much of it is because you simply are that dumb.

Horace

@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:

Sigh.

Presidencies are judged by outcomes because the job actually involves managing events and processes much bigger than the office itself.

I agree that for many, it's the best approximation to an informed opinion that they'll ever manage to generate.

taiwan_girl

@Larry said in Scrap the debates:

I read the ridiculous "logic" of you Trump bashers, and actually feel sorry for you.

I am not sure what logic you are refer to?

My questions for you:

Should President Trump be accountable for the state of the economy right now?
Was President Trump accountable for the state of the economy in January 2020?

Horace

The answer to the question "doesn't this drastic over-simplification still apply, if it gives a different answer than a more detailed model?" is no, the drastic over-simplification does not still apply, if there exists a better model to answer questions regarding presidential quality. You can argue with the more complicated model, that's ok, but no, you can't just say "yeah but the oversimplified version is what's typically used".

Larry

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@Larry said in Scrap the debates:

I read the ridiculous "logic" of you Trump bashers, and actually feel sorry for you.

I am not sure what logic you are refer to?

My questions for you:

Should President Trump be accountable for the state of the economy right now?
Was President Trump accountable for the state of the economy in January 2020?

You honestly don't see how ridiculous that question is, do you....

First, you misrepresent the state of the economy. Next, you try to blame Trump for the economic damage done by a pandemic as if he was the one who caused it. Your question is beyond dumb and if you can't see that I don't know how to begin to untangle the web of nonsense you've built your view around.

jon-nyc

@Horace said in Scrap the debates:

@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:

Sigh.

Presidencies are judged by outcomes because the job actually involves managing events and processes much bigger than the office itself.

I agree that for many, it's the best approximation to an informed opinion that they'll ever manage to generate.

Very few do it actually. They put a partisan filter on and decide what was due to the genius of the man vs events beyond his control.

Horace

That's self-selection bias. you hear opinions from those motivated to say them out loud. That's not most people.

taiwan_girl

@Larry said in Scrap the debates:

@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

@Larry said in Scrap the debates:

I read the ridiculous "logic" of you Trump bashers, and actually feel sorry for you.

I am not sure what logic you are refer to?

My questions for you:

Should President Trump be accountable for the state of the economy right now?
Was President Trump accountable for the state of the economy in January 2020?

You honestly don't see how ridiculous that question is, do you....

First, you misrepresent the state of the economy. Next, you try to blame Trump for the economic damage done by a pandemic as if he was the one who caused it. Your question is beyond dumb and if you can't see that I don't know how to begin to untangle the web of nonsense you've built your view around.

I have state before that I do not think that President Trump is the cause of where the US economy is right now. I have say that more than once.

What I dont agree with is people who "pick the cherries" and say that when the economy is going good, it is all BECAUSE of President Trump, but when it is going bad, it has NOTHING to do with him.

Larry

@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

@Larry said in Scrap the debates:

@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

@Larry said in Scrap the debates:

I read the ridiculous "logic" of you Trump bashers, and actually feel sorry for you.

I am not sure what logic you are refer to?

My questions for you:

Should President Trump be accountable for the state of the economy right now?
Was President Trump accountable for the state of the economy in January 2020?

You honestly don't see how ridiculous that question is, do you....

First, you misrepresent the state of the economy. Next, you try to blame Trump for the economic damage done by a pandemic as if he was the one who caused it. Your question is beyond dumb and if you can't see that I don't know how to begin to untangle the web of nonsense you've built your view around.

I have state before that I do not think that President Trump is the cause of where the US economy is right now. I have say that more than once.

What I dont agree with is people who "pick the cherries" and say that when the economy is going good, it is all BECAUSE of President Trump, but when it is going bad, it has NOTHING to do with him.

Yes, you have continually made that claim. No matter how many times people have proven your claim wrong, you have never wavered a single inch from your claim. But continuing to repeat your same old worn out and disproved opinion won't magically turn it into fact or truth. It is an uninformed and incorrect opinion that you refuse to let go of no matter how solidly it gets destroyed, and you use your error as the foundation that you build your entire house of cards on.

Jolly

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As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH

The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.

If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).

As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"

A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"

Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)

Unemployment
Nov 2016 = 4.7%
July 2020 = 10.2%

SP 500
Nov 2016 = 2594
July 2020 = 3295

GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%

Debt
Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
(increase of 33%)

If only Mr Trump had let a few more non- essentials die we could have a terrific economy.

But the US didn't and the economy is in terrible shape. If we are going to talk about one person being responsible for it, who would it be?

Is the economy in terrible shape, compared to other First World countries?

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