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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

    GDP Growth
    Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
    2017 = 2.3%
    2018 = 3.0%
    2019 = 2.2%
    2020 = -10%

    No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.

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    taiwan_girl
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    #56

    @jon-nyc Ah okay. I must have misread the table I was looking at. Thanks Jon for the correction!

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    • L Loki

      @jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:

      @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

      GDP Growth
      Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
      2017 = 2.3%
      2018 = 3.0%
      2019 = 2.2%
      2020 = -10%

      No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.

      We will see how long Biden keeps the US shut down after he is President. This is going to be fun to watch. But no one will care when I point out how much the narrative changed.

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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on last edited by
      #57

      @Loki said in Scrap the debates:

      But no one will care when I point out how much the narrative changed.

      I disagree. The President should be accountable, no matter who he is.

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      • HoraceH Online
        HoraceH Online
        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #58

        There are those who may be inclined to judge people based on how they played the hand they were dealt, rather than mostly judging the hand they were dealt. You are advocating for judging the person by the random deal. Which is your prerogative, but to me it doesn't seem very well considered.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #59

          For the most part it’s how presidencies are judged. As if the buck stops with them.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #60

            Clinton once complained out loud that he didn’t have a chance to be a truly great president because there was no crisis of the appropriate scale.

            It was true as far as it went, but seemed like bad form to complain about it

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • HoraceH Horace

              There are those who may be inclined to judge people based on how they played the hand they were dealt, rather than mostly judging the hand they were dealt. You are advocating for judging the person by the random deal. Which is your prerogative, but to me it doesn't seem very well considered.

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #61

              @Horace said in Scrap the debates:

              There are those who may be inclined to judge people based on how they played the hand they were dealt, rather than mostly judging the hand they were dealt. You are advocating for judging the person by the random deal. Which is your prerogative, but to me it doesn't seem very well considered.

              I remember people here comparing Donald Trump to Winston Churchill.

              And not just because he's a fat old bastard who sounds drunk the whole time.

              I was only joking

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                Rainman
                wrote on last edited by
                #62

                There is certainly one thing those of you suffering from TDS need to consider:
                What if Biden/Harris wins?

                Then what?

                You do realize that some folks here will then be on offense and in the luxurious position of criticizing, complete with facts, figures, and mind-reading.

                It's the old "watch what you wish for, it might come true."

                The Portland DA announced that for most crimes associated with rioting, there will be no prosecution. Everyone's being let off, to come back and head more and more into the suburbs to hit the bars residential neighborhoods. Maybe if Biden wins, that can become more of a national policy? In other words, Biden/Harris will support the examples being set in Chicago, PDX, LA, etc. Right? That would be one wish coming true, I guess.

                I wish Trump would give anyone living in Hong Kong a new home. I don't suppose Hong Kong takes trade-ins?

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #63

                  @Rainman said in Scrap the debates:

                  What if Biden/Harris wins?
                  Then what?
                  You do realize that some folks here will then be on offense and in the luxurious position of criticizing, complete with facts, figures, and mind-reading.
                  It's the old "watch what you wish for, it might come true."

                  My God, how will we cope? Criticism? Facts and figures? PEOPLE BEING RUDE ON THE INTERNET???? Say it ain't so!

                  I'll need a safe space. And the pubs are all closed.

                  I was only joking

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    For the most part it’s how presidencies are judged. As if the buck stops with them.

                    HoraceH Online
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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #64

                    @jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:

                    For the most part it’s how presidencies are judged. As if the buck stops with them.

                    That loser Lincoln couldn't even survive his own presidency.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Rainman said in Scrap the debates:

                      What if Biden/Harris wins?
                      Then what?
                      You do realize that some folks here will then be on offense and in the luxurious position of criticizing, complete with facts, figures, and mind-reading.
                      It's the old "watch what you wish for, it might come true."

                      My God, how will we cope? Criticism? Facts and figures? PEOPLE BEING RUDE ON THE INTERNET???? Say it ain't so!

                      I'll need a safe space. And the pubs are all closed.

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                      Rainman
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #65

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Scrap the debates:

                      @Rainman said in Scrap the debates:

                      What if Biden/Harris wins?
                      Then what?
                      You do realize that some folks here will then be on offense and in the luxurious position of criticizing, complete with facts, figures, and mind-reading.
                      It's the old "watch what you wish for, it might come true."

                      My God, how will we cope? Criticism? Facts and figures? PEOPLE BEING RUDE ON THE INTERNET???? Say it ain't so!

                      I'll need a safe space. And the pubs are all closed.

                      You left out mind-reading. That's the most important, and you left it out!
                      By then, I will also be expert world-champion mind-reader. Can't wait!

                      Oh yeah, almost losing my touch, give me a second. . .

                      BREXIT!!!!
                      💂

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        It's easy to compare Trump to a clown, but how about comparing him to Biden? Do you expect more than tribal noises coming from Biden?

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                        Axtremus
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                        #66

                        @Horace said in Scrap the debates:

                        It's easy to compare Trump to a clown, ...

                        To compare Trump to a clown is to insult a clown.
                        Why do you hate clowns so much?

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          @Horace said in Scrap the debates:

                          It's easy to compare Trump to a clown, ...

                          To compare Trump to a clown is to insult a clown.
                          Why do you hate clowns so much?

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #67

                          @Axtremus said in Scrap the debates:

                          @Horace said in Scrap the debates:

                          It's easy to compare Trump to a clown, ...

                          To compare Trump to a clown is to insult a clown.
                          Why do you hate clowns so much?

                          Why do ignore questions other people ask of you?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @89th said in Scrap the debates:

                            As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH

                            The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.

                            If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).

                            As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"

                            A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"

                            Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)

                            Unemployment
                            Nov 2016 = 4.7%
                            July 2020 = 10.2%

                            SP 500
                            Nov 2016 = 2594
                            July 2020 = 3295

                            GDP Growth
                            Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
                            2017 = 2.3%
                            2018 = 3.0%
                            2019 = 2.2%
                            2020 = -10%

                            Debt
                            Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
                            July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
                            (increase of 33%)

                            CopperC Offline
                            CopperC Offline
                            Copper
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #68

                            @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

                            @89th said in Scrap the debates:

                            As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH

                            The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.

                            If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).

                            As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"

                            A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"

                            Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)

                            Unemployment
                            Nov 2016 = 4.7%
                            July 2020 = 10.2%

                            SP 500
                            Nov 2016 = 2594
                            July 2020 = 3295

                            GDP Growth
                            Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
                            2017 = 2.3%
                            2018 = 3.0%
                            2019 = 2.2%
                            2020 = -10%

                            Debt
                            Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
                            July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
                            (increase of 33%)

                            If only Mr Trump had let a few more non- essentials die we could have a terrific economy.

                            taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                            • CopperC Copper

                              @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

                              @89th said in Scrap the debates:

                              As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH

                              The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.

                              If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).

                              As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"

                              A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"

                              Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)

                              Unemployment
                              Nov 2016 = 4.7%
                              July 2020 = 10.2%

                              SP 500
                              Nov 2016 = 2594
                              July 2020 = 3295

                              GDP Growth
                              Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
                              2017 = 2.3%
                              2018 = 3.0%
                              2019 = 2.2%
                              2020 = -10%

                              Debt
                              Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
                              July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
                              (increase of 33%)

                              If only Mr Trump had let a few more non- essentials die we could have a terrific economy.

                              taiwan_girlT Offline
                              taiwan_girlT Offline
                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #69

                              @Copper said in Scrap the debates:

                              @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

                              @89th said in Scrap the debates:

                              As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH

                              The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.

                              If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).

                              As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"

                              A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"

                              Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)

                              Unemployment
                              Nov 2016 = 4.7%
                              July 2020 = 10.2%

                              SP 500
                              Nov 2016 = 2594
                              July 2020 = 3295

                              GDP Growth
                              Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
                              2017 = 2.3%
                              2018 = 3.0%
                              2019 = 2.2%
                              2020 = -10%

                              Debt
                              Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
                              July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
                              (increase of 33%)

                              If only Mr Trump had let a few more non- essentials die we could have a terrific economy.

                              But the US didn't and the economy is in terrible shape. If we are going to talk about one person being responsible for it, who would it be?

                              CopperC JollyJ 2 Replies Last reply
                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                @Copper said in Scrap the debates:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

                                @89th said in Scrap the debates:

                                As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH

                                The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.

                                If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).

                                As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"

                                A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"

                                Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)

                                Unemployment
                                Nov 2016 = 4.7%
                                July 2020 = 10.2%

                                SP 500
                                Nov 2016 = 2594
                                July 2020 = 3295

                                GDP Growth
                                Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
                                2017 = 2.3%
                                2018 = 3.0%
                                2019 = 2.2%
                                2020 = -10%

                                Debt
                                Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
                                July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
                                (increase of 33%)

                                If only Mr Trump had let a few more non- essentials die we could have a terrific economy.

                                But the US didn't and the economy is in terrible shape. If we are going to talk about one person being responsible for it, who would it be?

                                CopperC Offline
                                CopperC Offline
                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #70

                                @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

                                @Copper said in Scrap the debates:

                                @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

                                @89th said in Scrap the debates:

                                As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH

                                The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.

                                If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).

                                As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"

                                A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"

                                Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)

                                Unemployment
                                Nov 2016 = 4.7%
                                July 2020 = 10.2%

                                SP 500
                                Nov 2016 = 2594
                                July 2020 = 3295

                                GDP Growth
                                Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
                                2017 = 2.3%
                                2018 = 3.0%
                                2019 = 2.2%
                                2020 = -10%

                                Debt
                                Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
                                July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
                                (increase of 33%)

                                If only Mr Trump had let a few more non- essentials die we could have a terrific economy.

                                But the US didn't and the economy is in terrible shape. If we are going to talk about one person being responsible for it, who would it be?

                                It doesn’t work that way here. You are responsible for yourself.

                                taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                                • CopperC Copper

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

                                  @Copper said in Scrap the debates:

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:

                                  @89th said in Scrap the debates:

                                  As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH

                                  The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.

                                  If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).

                                  As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"

                                  A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"

                                  Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)

                                  Unemployment
                                  Nov 2016 = 4.7%
                                  July 2020 = 10.2%

                                  SP 500
                                  Nov 2016 = 2594
                                  July 2020 = 3295

                                  GDP Growth
                                  Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
                                  2017 = 2.3%
                                  2018 = 3.0%
                                  2019 = 2.2%
                                  2020 = -10%

                                  Debt
                                  Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
                                  July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
                                  (increase of 33%)

                                  If only Mr Trump had let a few more non- essentials die we could have a terrific economy.

                                  But the US didn't and the economy is in terrible shape. If we are going to talk about one person being responsible for it, who would it be?

                                  It doesn’t work that way here. You are responsible for yourself.

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #71

                                  @Copper So, the US president does not have any affect?

                                  @horace alert!!!!!!! LOL

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                                  • HoraceH Online
                                    HoraceH Online
                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by Horace
                                    #72

                                    jon has your back, TG. Presidents are judged on outcome because that's how those judgments are made.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      jon has your back, TG. Presidents are judged on outcome because that's how those judgments are made.

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #73

                                      @Horace said in Scrap the debates:

                                      jon has your back, TG. Presidents are judged on outcome because that's how those judgments are made.

                                      LOL Horace. Good response! 😍

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #74

                                        Sigh.

                                        Presidencies are judged by outcomes because the job actually involves managing events and processes much bigger than the office itself.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          I read the ridiculous "logic" of you Trump bashers, and actually feel sorry for you. I can't tell how much of it is stuff you know you're saying wrong but you say it anyway because of partisanship, and how much of it is because you simply are that dumb.

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