DeWine vetos bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for trans youth
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@Mik said in DeWine vetos bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for trans youth:
He made his reasoning quite clear. I'm not sure I disagree.
“These are gut-wrenching decisions that should be made my parents and should be informed by teams of doctors who are advising them. These are parents who have watched their children suffer for years, and have real concerns their children would not survive without it… Families are basing their decisions on the best medical advice they can get.”
He is basing the decision on the “feels” rather than the facts. The numbers do not support the argument “Do you want a dead daughter or living son” argument that has been promulgated by the physicians in the field. The studies they point to have now been found to be fatally flawed and manipulated, and it’s now looking like medical intervention is leading to higher suicide rates, not lower.
Yes, there are people that are sure the treatment saved their lives. There are also people sure that sugar water pills saved their lives… Many of the detransitioned have reported an immediate easing of depression, but then a return and a worsening of the suicide ideation.
I notice DeWine didn’t mention anything about speaking with detransitioners…
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That's one statement. On others he talked about his real concern, which is how the party supposedly championing individual freedoms can take this decision away from parents.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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There are some decisions that need to be taken away from parents.
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That's one statement. On others he talked about his real concern, which is how the party supposedly championing individual freedoms can take this decision away from parents.
@Mik said in DeWine vetos bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for trans youth:
That's one statement. On others he talked about his real concern, which is how the party supposedly championing individual freedoms can take this decision away from parents.
That sounds like a wonderful principled argument that I theoretically agree with in my slightly libertarian heart. The practical and hard reality is quite different.
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If DeWine truly believes in this being a parental responsibility and decision, then why does he keep blocking efforts to revive HB468, which required schools to inform parents of cases where students were self diagnosing Gender Dysphoria, and prevented the schools from socially transitioning students without parental consent and knowledge? Kasich originally vetoed the bill, but DeWine has blocked efforts to bring it back around.
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Should Ohio repeal all age related laws regarding Alcohol and consumption? Just make it up to parents?
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Even well meaning parents are being led astray by these clinics and gender professionals. The whole “Dead daughter or live son” argument is bullshit and has been shown to be so. But parents blindly trust the professionals.
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Child abuse is not a decision between parents and their children, and that’s what this is.
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As it is, to get to a point where transgender treatment for a minor can proceed, you need three parties to go along: the patient, the parent, the doctor (a state licensed professional); and each is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
You would rather trust the state to make a blanket decision for all cases as a class, rather than have the individual groups of {patient, parent, doctor} make case-by-case decisions?
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As it is, to get to a point where transgender treatment for a minor can proceed, you need three parties to go along: the patient, the parent, the doctor (a state licensed professional); and each is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
You would rather trust the state to make a blanket decision for all cases as a class, rather than have the individual groups of {patient, parent, doctor} make case-by-case decisions?
@Axtremus said in DeWine vetos bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for trans youth:
As it is, to get to a point where transgender treatment for a minor can proceed, you need three parties to go along: the patient, the parent, the doctor (a state licensed professional); and each is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
You would rather trust the state to make a blanket decision for all cases as a class, rather than have the individual groups of {patient, parent, doctor} make case-by-case decisions?
Yes.
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As it is, to get to a point where transgender treatment for a minor can proceed, you need three parties to go along: the patient, the parent, the doctor (a state licensed professional); and each is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
You would rather trust the state to make a blanket decision for all cases as a class, rather than have the individual groups of {patient, parent, doctor} make case-by-case decisions?
@Axtremus said in DeWine vetos bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for trans youth:
you need three parties to go along: the patient, the parent, the doctor (a state licensed professional); and each is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
First of all, given the "trendiness" of this issue these days, parent(s) and patient are hardly unbiased individuals. After all, they're going to the professional because they want to be evaluated for transgender "treatment."
Secondly, that leaves the matter of objectivity to the professional. If you look around, you'll see dozens of stories of "professionals" who recommend "gender-affirming" care after an evaluation that frequently lasts less than half an hour. I wonder how thorough such an evaluation is.
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DeWine also stated he'd be looking at options for banning surgery under 18. So let's not pretend the governor is all woke. Far from it.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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As it is, to get to a point where transgender treatment for a minor can proceed, you need three parties to go along: the patient, the parent, the doctor (a state licensed professional); and each is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
You would rather trust the state to make a blanket decision for all cases as a class, rather than have the individual groups of {patient, parent, doctor} make case-by-case decisions?
@Axtremus said in DeWine vetos bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for trans youth:
As it is, to get to a point where transgender treatment for a minor can proceed, you need three parties to go along: the patient, the parent, the doctor (a state licensed professional); and each is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
You would rather trust the state to make a blanket decision for all cases as a class, rather than have the individual groups of {patient, parent, doctor} make case-by-case decisions?
As it was, in the 1950s Lobotomy treatments proceeded with the agreement of the medical professionals, the patients, and the patients’ families.
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DeWine also stated he'd be looking at options for banning surgery under 18. So let's not pretend the governor is all woke. Far from it.
@Mik said in DeWine vetos bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for trans youth:
DeWine also stated he'd be looking at options for banning surgery under 18. So let's not pretend the governor is all woke. Far from it.
Surgeries? The danger with these kids are puberty blockers and socially transitioning. By the time they get to surgery they’ve already been abused.
I get it, you like Dewine and his more moderate policies. In most cases I do, too. But this is a subject that you can’t give an inch on. What is happening to these kids is evil, and to just pass it off to being between a parent and the doctors is just absolving oneself from taking a tough stand on a tough issue. The school districts are absolutely filled with activists pushing this crap down kids throats and it is ruining their lives and relationships.
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@George-K said in DeWine vetos bill that would have banned gender-affirming care for trans youth:
So Riley Gaines is embracing her new career as social commentator.
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Well, that was a political thumping...
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Interesting, looks like a completely party line vote, but with 2 Republican Senators voting against the override, and 6 Reps that didn’t vote.
