Trump Disqualified in Colorado
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 15:40 last edited by
Oral Arguments this AM:
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 17:04 last edited by
I am semi listening to that. Thanks for the link. Quite interesting to hear something like that. (Not just this case, but how the Supreme Cort works.)
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 18:43 last edited by
Alito destroyed the attorney during questioning.
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 18:44 last edited by
I listened to an interview with David French recently. He's of the opinion that keeping Trump from the ballot via lawfare is less destabilizing than letting him run. So that's where one mainstream cultural conservative is at. I guess he represents millions.
Of course, there's zero chance any such claim can be established to any degree of certainty. The only certain thing is that the precedent is novel, and will be reused in the future. The claim is only a gut feeling, shared by millions of weak minded TDS sufferers, safe in the mob they are surrounded by.
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 18:47 last edited by
Whether the net effect would be good or bad is irrelevant. This is not about how everyone feels.
Although if we let them have their way with the constitution it one day might be.
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 21:20 last edited by
"Glacial" is the word being used to describe the Colorado's attorney's argument reception by SCOTUS, even the more liberal judges.
Could we see an unanimous decision?
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 21:22 last edited by
Kagan is the only one who "seemed" sympathetic, according to accounts.
And by "sympathetic," I don't mean she agreed.
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 22:04 last edited by
She seemed skeptical in her questioning
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 22:06 last edited by
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
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I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 22:45 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
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wrote on 8 Feb 2024, 23:14 last edited by
Hopefully it does.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 00:12 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
If Trump had been a lot more serious in his attempt to steal our democracy via paperwork filed by faithless electors, it would have gotten to the Supreme Court and shot down summarily. So the fact that SCOTUS will actually have to shoot this down summarily, means that the anti-Trump crowed made a more legit attempt at subverting our Democracy via paperwork, than Trump ever did. Those are just facts. Or, they will be, when SCOTUS shits on this attempt.
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wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 00:16 last edited by
Another 2 cents...I can't remember Trump thumbing his nose and ignoring a court decision, Scream, kick, curse, appeal, use every piece of legal tactic available and be dragged to compliance, but he complied.
The Biden Administration seems like they can ignore what they don't like.
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Another 2 cents...I can't remember Trump thumbing his nose and ignoring a court decision, Scream, kick, curse, appeal, use every piece of legal tactic available and be dragged to compliance, but he complied.
The Biden Administration seems like they can ignore what they don't like.
wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 00:32 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
Another 2 cents...I can't remember Trump thumbing his nose and ignoring a court decision, Scream, kick, curse, appeal, use every piece of legal tactic available and be dragged to compliance, but he complied.
The Biden Administration seems like they can ignore what they don't like.
How so?
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@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 00:34 last edited by@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
Yeah it’ll be dead, assuming at least 5 sign on to the same reasoning that kills it, such as the enabling legislation argument. Which I think they will.
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@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
If Trump had been a lot more serious in his attempt to steal our democracy via paperwork filed by faithless electors, it would have gotten to the Supreme Court and shot down summarily. So the fact that SCOTUS will actually have to shoot this down summarily, means that the anti-Trump crowed made a more legit attempt at subverting our Democracy via paperwork, than Trump ever did. Those are just facts. Or, they will be, when SCOTUS shits on this attempt.
wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 00:37 last edited by@Horace said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
If Trump had been a lot more serious in his attempt to steal our democracy via paperwork filed by faithless electors, it would have gotten to the Supreme Court and shot down summarily. So the fact that SCOTUS will actually have to shoot this down summarily, means that the anti-Trump crowed made a more legit attempt at subverting our Democracy via paperwork, than Trump ever did. Those are just facts. Or, they will be, when SCOTUS shits on this attempt.
This is just wrong. He attempted to overturn an election. These two states attempted to keep a single name off a ballot.
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@Horace said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
If Trump had been a lot more serious in his attempt to steal our democracy via paperwork filed by faithless electors, it would have gotten to the Supreme Court and shot down summarily. So the fact that SCOTUS will actually have to shoot this down summarily, means that the anti-Trump crowed made a more legit attempt at subverting our Democracy via paperwork, than Trump ever did. Those are just facts. Or, they will be, when SCOTUS shits on this attempt.
This is just wrong. He attempted to overturn an election. These two states attempted to keep a single name off a ballot.
wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 01:47 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@Horace said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
I think it will be unanimous-light. Same result with different reasoning. Some will say it requires enabling legislation. Others will point to technicalities in the wording (eg definition of ‘officer’), etc.
What's the end result in the long run?
Does this eternally squelch this legal argument?
If Trump had been a lot more serious in his attempt to steal our democracy via paperwork filed by faithless electors, it would have gotten to the Supreme Court and shot down summarily. So the fact that SCOTUS will actually have to shoot this down summarily, means that the anti-Trump crowed made a more legit attempt at subverting our Democracy via paperwork, than Trump ever did. Those are just facts. Or, they will be, when SCOTUS shits on this attempt.
This is just wrong. He attempted to overturn an election. These two states attempted to keep a single name off a ballot.
According to the polls, that single name not being on the ballot is likely to change the results of the next election.
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wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 09:59 last edited by
In 2020 Colorado went for Biden by 13.5.
Maine splits their electoral votes and Biden got 3 to Trump’s 1.
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In 2020 Colorado went for Biden by 13.5.
Maine splits their electoral votes and Biden got 3 to Trump’s 1.
wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 14:59 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
In 2020 Colorado went for Biden by 13.5.
Maine splits their electoral votes and Biden got 3 to Trump’s 1.
So we're quibbling over price, when precedent is obviously the important thing here. If it works in CO and ME, then what?
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@jon-nyc said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
In 2020 Colorado went for Biden by 13.5.
Maine splits their electoral votes and Biden got 3 to Trump’s 1.
So we're quibbling over price, when precedent is obviously the important thing here. If it works in CO and ME, then what?
wrote on 9 Feb 2024, 15:04 last edited by@Horace said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:
So we're quibbling over price, when precedent is obviously the important thing here. If it works in CO and ME, then what?
Exactly. This is a dangerous precedent. What’s to stop Texas from disqualifying Biden because he’s ignoring immigration laws?
And, it doesn’t even matter if he is. All they have to do is say that he
participated in an insurrectionis.