The Curious Case of Claudine Gay
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 13:49 last edited by
@Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.
I would think it's going to be a heavy (legal) lift to fire her. AFAIK, she broke no professional rules of conduct. Though weasel-ey, her testimony before Congress was not, IMO, reason for dismissal.
As far as the plagiarism allegations, she can, and probably will, claim that Harvard did its due diligence in appointing her. The fact that it's just now coming to light is Harvard's fault, not hers.
"Yeah, officer, you claim I ran that red light about 5 years ago, but you didn't catch me. So, I shouldn't get a ticket NOW."
Smart thing would be for Harvard to just pay her off and be done with it. SHe's lost a lot of credibility, and has almost become, for now, a household name. In the worst way, of course.
Gonna need some popcorn, to be sure.
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 14:41 last edited by
But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 14:41 last edited by
@Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?
Of course it is. But she'll claim that Harvard should have caught it, and now it's on them.
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 16:37 last edited by
She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 16:48 last edited by
The only Christmas present I want this year, is Claudine Gay in prison. So I can finally feel safe again.
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 16:51 last edited by LuFins Dad
Show us on this doll where she touched you, Horace…
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wrote on 26 Dec 2023, 14:38 last edited by
Lol
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She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.
wrote on 26 Dec 2023, 14:39 last edited by@Rainman said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.
I think it’s the opposite. When boards want a problem to go away, they’ll throw money at it. Especially with a gazillion dollar endowment.
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wrote on 26 Dec 2023, 14:57 last edited by
Tax the endowment?
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wrote on 26 Dec 2023, 15:35 last edited by
Make an example, lock her up.
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wrote on 26 Dec 2023, 16:27 last edited by
@Copper said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
Make an example, lock her up.
Finally, the voice of compassion, for those of us who don't feel safe.
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wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 01:50 last edited by
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wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 01:56 last edited by
She's published, what, 12 articles?
A pretty high plagiarism/publication ratio, no?
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wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 01:58 last edited by
Oh, after the examples, the comments are great.
Loved the Nixon one.
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wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 02:50 last edited by
From the Harvard Crimson - Dissent: For Harvard’s Sake, It’s Time to Let Gay Go
University President Claudine Gay should resign.
It has been less than half a year since Gay assumed one of the most prestigious posts in all of academia. Since then, scandal after scandal has plagued our beloved university.
The president of Harvard must be a formidable leader, capable of managing thousands of the brightest minds on the planet, a widely revered international brand, and a multi-billion-dollar bureaucratic behemoth. Further, by way of its field-leading eminences, Harvard exerts influence — and encounters controversy — at the highest levels of politics and policymaking, which often presents challenges for its leader and public face.
In other words, Harvard’s presidency is no mere empty honor; it is a deeply challenging managerial job with deeply challenging duties, not least of which is navigating national outcry.
In each of these respects, Gay has failed. The Harvard Corporation must find a leader who can do better.
More at the link.
From the RWEC:
These are two of the Crimson’s editorial board members, who are apparently in the minority about Gay’s status. The fact that anyone at Harvard is still left defending this scholastic and administrative failure is a clear sign that identity has fully trumped individual worth and achievement at this university and the other Poison Ivies. It’s not just the honor code that’s become a farce.
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wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 02:52 last edited by
I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.
I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".
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I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.
I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".
wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 02:55 last edited by@Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.
I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".
And here, right here, is our
fistfirst candidate for Post Of The Year: 2024 Edition. -
@Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.
I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".
And here, right here, is our
fistfirst candidate for Post Of The Year: 2024 Edition.wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 03:32 last edited by@George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
@Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.
I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".
And here, right here, is our
fistfirst candidate for Post Of The Year: 2024 Edition.Thanks George. If I win, it’ll help me feel safe. At least until Claudine Gay is in prison.
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What I imagine her resignation will look like:
In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the
NationHarvard. Throughout the long and difficult period ofWatergateHamasgate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which youelectedhired me.In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the
CongressHarvard Corporation to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see theconstitutionaleducational process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the
constitutionaleducational purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged.wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 12:26 last edited by@xenon said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
What I imagine her resignation will look like:
In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the
NationHarvard. Throughout the long and difficult period ofWatergateHamasgate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which youelectedhired me.In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the
CongressHarvard Corporation to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see theconstitutionaleducational process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the
constitutionaleducational purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged.Splendid. "I am not a
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wrote on 2 Jan 2024, 13:54 last edited by
@Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
Tax the endowment?
Ms. Gay got @Jolly to consider a wealth tax!
It’s a miracle!