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The Curious Case of Claudine Gay

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  • HoraceH Horace

    There's a documentary on YouTube about the allegations against Fryer. They are total garbage.

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    @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

    Fryer

    Personal life

    Fryer is married to Franziska Michor, a professor of biology at Harvard. They met in 2006, as members of the Harvard Society of Fellows. He "...courted her by betting a dinner date on whether he could find evidence that smoking reduces cancer..."[35] He has performed stand-up comedy at The Elbow Room, in West Hartford, Connecticut, inside of their basement comedy club "Stand-Up Underground."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_G._Fryer_Jr.

    He courted her by betting a dinner date on whether he could find evidence that smoking reduces cancer; to her dismay, he sent her a report from the tobacco lobby.

    https://www.ft.com/content/89b97964-b88a-11e5-b151-8e15c9a029fb

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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        It's time for Harvard to take the lead.

        Replace her with an elder white male.

        Let's restore order to our world.

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          What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.

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            George K
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            @Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

            What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.

            I would think it's going to be a heavy (legal) lift to fire her. AFAIK, she broke no professional rules of conduct. Though weasel-ey, her testimony before Congress was not, IMO, reason for dismissal.

            As far as the plagiarism allegations, she can, and probably will, claim that Harvard did its due diligence in appointing her. The fact that it's just now coming to light is Harvard's fault, not hers.

            "Yeah, officer, you claim I ran that red light about 5 years ago, but you didn't catch me. So, I shouldn't get a ticket NOW."

            Smart thing would be for Harvard to just pay her off and be done with it. SHe's lost a lot of credibility, and has almost become, for now, a household name. In the worst way, of course.

            Gonna need some popcorn, to be sure.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

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                @Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

                Of course it is. But she'll claim that Harvard should have caught it, and now it's on them.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

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                    The only Christmas present I want this year, is Claudine Gay in prison. So I can finally feel safe again.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #95

                      Show us on this doll where she touched you, Horace…

                      The Brad

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                        #96

                        Lol

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • RainmanR Rainman

                          She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          @Rainman said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                          She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

                          I think it’s the opposite. When boards want a problem to go away, they’ll throw money at it. Especially with a gazillion dollar endowment.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            Tax the endowment?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Make an example, lock her up.

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                Make an example, lock her up.

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                                @Copper said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                Make an example, lock her up.

                                Finally, the voice of compassion, for those of us who don't feel safe.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Read the thread.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    She's published, what, 12 articles?

                                    A pretty high plagiarism/publication ratio, no?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Oh, after the examples, the comments are great.

                                      Loved the Nixon one.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        From the Harvard Crimson - Dissent: For Harvard’s Sake, It’s Time to Let Gay Go

                                        University President Claudine Gay should resign.

                                        It has been less than half a year since Gay assumed one of the most prestigious posts in all of academia. Since then, scandal after scandal has plagued our beloved university.

                                        The president of Harvard must be a formidable leader, capable of managing thousands of the brightest minds on the planet, a widely revered international brand, and a multi-billion-dollar bureaucratic behemoth. Further, by way of its field-leading eminences, Harvard exerts influence — and encounters controversy — at the highest levels of politics and policymaking, which often presents challenges for its leader and public face.

                                        In other words, Harvard’s presidency is no mere empty honor; it is a deeply challenging managerial job with deeply challenging duties, not least of which is navigating national outcry.

                                        In each of these respects, Gay has failed. The Harvard Corporation must find a leader who can do better.

                                        More at the link.

                                        From the RWEC:

                                        These are two of the Crimson’s editorial board members, who are apparently in the minority about Gay’s status. The fact that anyone at Harvard is still left defending this scholastic and administrative failure is a clear sign that identity has fully trumped individual worth and achievement at this university and the other Poison Ivies. It’s not just the honor code that’s become a farce.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.

                                          I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".

                                          Education is extremely important.

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