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The Curious Case of Claudine Gay

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    xenon
    wrote on last edited by xenon
    #79

    Apparently Harvard said they found more "examples of duplicative language without appropriate attribution.”

    Lucky for her they didn't find any plagiarism.

    Harvard seems to be on a speedrun to burn down centuries of accumulated prestige.

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      Jolly
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      #80

      It's the culmination of recruiting only the best and brightest.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        xenon
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        #81

        What I imagine her resignation will look like:

        In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the NationHarvard. Throughout the long and difficult period of WatergateHamasgate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which you electedhired me.

        In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the CongressHarvard Corporation to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see the constitutionaleducational process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.

        But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the constitutionaleducational purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged.

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          jon-nyc
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          #82

          POTD

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            Aqua Letifer
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            #83

            Solid.

            Please love yourself.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #84

              Swain vs Gay

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Horace
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                #85

                There's a documentary on YouTube about the allegations against Fryer. They are total garbage.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  There's a documentary on YouTube about the allegations against Fryer. They are total garbage.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #86

                  @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                  Fryer

                  Personal life

                  Fryer is married to Franziska Michor, a professor of biology at Harvard. They met in 2006, as members of the Harvard Society of Fellows. He "...courted her by betting a dinner date on whether he could find evidence that smoking reduces cancer..."[35] He has performed stand-up comedy at The Elbow Room, in West Hartford, Connecticut, inside of their basement comedy club "Stand-Up Underground."

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_G._Fryer_Jr.

                  He courted her by betting a dinner date on whether he could find evidence that smoking reduces cancer; to her dismay, he sent her a report from the tobacco lobby.

                  https://www.ft.com/content/89b97964-b88a-11e5-b151-8e15c9a029fb

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                    George K
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                    #87

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #88

                      It's time for Harvard to take the lead.

                      Replace her with an elder white male.

                      Let's restore order to our world.

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                        Jolly
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                        #89

                        What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.

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                          George K
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                          @Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                          What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.

                          I would think it's going to be a heavy (legal) lift to fire her. AFAIK, she broke no professional rules of conduct. Though weasel-ey, her testimony before Congress was not, IMO, reason for dismissal.

                          As far as the plagiarism allegations, she can, and probably will, claim that Harvard did its due diligence in appointing her. The fact that it's just now coming to light is Harvard's fault, not hers.

                          "Yeah, officer, you claim I ran that red light about 5 years ago, but you didn't catch me. So, I shouldn't get a ticket NOW."

                          Smart thing would be for Harvard to just pay her off and be done with it. SHe's lost a lot of credibility, and has almost become, for now, a household name. In the worst way, of course.

                          Gonna need some popcorn, to be sure.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Jolly
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                            #91

                            But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

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                              George K
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                              #92

                              @Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                              But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

                              Of course it is. But she'll claim that Harvard should have caught it, and now it's on them.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Rainman
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                                #93

                                She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

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                                  Horace
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                                  #94

                                  The only Christmas present I want this year, is Claudine Gay in prison. So I can finally feel safe again.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
                                    #95

                                    Show us on this doll where she touched you, Horace…

                                    The Brad

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #96

                                      Lol

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • RainmanR Rainman

                                        She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #97

                                        @Rainman said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                        She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

                                        I think it’s the opposite. When boards want a problem to go away, they’ll throw money at it. Especially with a gazillion dollar endowment.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          Jolly
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                                          #98

                                          Tax the endowment?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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