The Curious Case of Claudine Gay
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Okay, but would you also agree that they could have been and should have been better prepared for their testimony? Beyond that, do you also agree that these school administrations have not done an adequate job in addressing these protests and incidents of violence and physical intimidation on campus?
wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 14:03 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
Okay, but would you also agree that they could have been and should have been better prepared for their testimony?
Yes, as one wag put it, WilmerHale might have told them to say “it depends” but they didn’t tell them to smirk.
Beyond that, do you also agree that these school administrations have not done an adequate job in addressing these protests and incidents of violence and physical intimidation on campus?
I doubt they have, but in fairness it’s hard to say, we see videos of the incidents but there’s little reporting on any aftermath.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 01:40 last edited by
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wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 01:55 last edited by
For a sense of perspective, just remember what Summers, Harvard's previous president, resignation was caused by.
Also remember, and contrast his scholarly publications.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 02:10 last edited by
His appearance doesn't have the same scholarly qualification.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 13:01 last edited by
That’s a pleasant surprise.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
One of Gay’s plagiarized authors speaks out…
Unfortunately Dr. Swain probably only represents about 98% of the country.
It is time to start ignoring that other 2%.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 22:44 last edited by xenon
Apparently Harvard said they found more "examples of duplicative language without appropriate attribution.”
Lucky for her they didn't find any plagiarism.
Harvard seems to be on a speedrun to burn down centuries of accumulated prestige.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 23:09 last edited by
It's the culmination of recruiting only the best and brightest.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 23:18 last edited by xenon
What I imagine her resignation will look like:
In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the
NationHarvard. Throughout the long and difficult period ofWatergateHamasgate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which youelectedhired me.In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the
CongressHarvard Corporation to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see theconstitutionaleducational process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the
constitutionaleducational purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged. -
wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 23:26 last edited by
POTD
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wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 23:55 last edited by
Solid.
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wrote on 23 Dec 2023, 13:28 last edited by
There's a documentary on YouTube about the allegations against Fryer. They are total garbage.
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There's a documentary on YouTube about the allegations against Fryer. They are total garbage.
wrote on 23 Dec 2023, 15:21 last edited by@Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
Fryer
Personal life
Fryer is married to Franziska Michor, a professor of biology at Harvard. They met in 2006, as members of the Harvard Society of Fellows. He "...courted her by betting a dinner date on whether he could find evidence that smoking reduces cancer..."[35] He has performed stand-up comedy at The Elbow Room, in West Hartford, Connecticut, inside of their basement comedy club "Stand-Up Underground."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_G._Fryer_Jr.
He courted her by betting a dinner date on whether he could find evidence that smoking reduces cancer; to her dismay, he sent her a report from the tobacco lobby.
https://www.ft.com/content/89b97964-b88a-11e5-b151-8e15c9a029fb
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 00:41 last edited by
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 00:51 last edited by
It's time for Harvard to take the lead.
Replace her with an elder white male.
Let's restore order to our world.
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 13:34 last edited by
What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 13:49 last edited by
@Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:
What would be her legal grounds? It's obvious she plagiarized and broke Harvard's code.
I would think it's going to be a heavy (legal) lift to fire her. AFAIK, she broke no professional rules of conduct. Though weasel-ey, her testimony before Congress was not, IMO, reason for dismissal.
As far as the plagiarism allegations, she can, and probably will, claim that Harvard did its due diligence in appointing her. The fact that it's just now coming to light is Harvard's fault, not hers.
"Yeah, officer, you claim I ran that red light about 5 years ago, but you didn't catch me. So, I shouldn't get a ticket NOW."
Smart thing would be for Harvard to just pay her off and be done with it. SHe's lost a lot of credibility, and has almost become, for now, a household name. In the worst way, of course.
Gonna need some popcorn, to be sure.
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wrote on 25 Dec 2023, 14:41 last edited by
But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?