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The Curious Case of Claudine Gay

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  • J jon-nyc
    19 Dec 2023, 23:10

    My guess is she’ll resign as president without admitting wrongdoing, rather just claiming that the (unfair) campaign against her is becoming too much of a distraction for the institution.

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    George K
    wrote on 19 Dec 2023, 23:32 last edited by
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    @jon-nyc said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

    the (unfair) campaign against her

    Are you saying the campaign is unfair, or that she would claim that it is.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 19 Dec 2023, 23:44 last edited by jon-nyc
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      The latter.

      Though they (the trio) certainly are being scapegoated for university policies with broad support throughout the administration and trustees.

      But that’s one of the jobs of a leader. So in that sense it isn’t really unfair. Comes with the territory and the large salary.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 01:53 last edited by LuFins Dad
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        Okay, but would you also agree that they could have been and should have been better prepared for their testimony? Beyond that, do you also agree that these school administrations have not done an adequate job in addressing these protests and incidents of violence and physical intimidation on campus?

        The Brad

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          Horace
          wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 02:37 last edited by
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          I wonder what the lawyers who gave them their talking points, were trying to avoid.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Copper
            wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 02:46 last edited by
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            Yes, all 3 acted like guilty children.

            They should have defended their policy, it is probably legal and certainly has lots support among their fellow loons.

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              20 Dec 2023, 02:37

              I wonder what the lawyers who gave them their talking points, were trying to avoid.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 13:58 last edited by jon-nyc
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              @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

              I wonder what the lawyers who gave them their talking points, were trying to avoid.

              Penalties under the title VI investigations that were already underway by the DoJ, and all the lawsuits from Jewish students that would follow.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • L LuFins Dad
                20 Dec 2023, 01:53

                Okay, but would you also agree that they could have been and should have been better prepared for their testimony? Beyond that, do you also agree that these school administrations have not done an adequate job in addressing these protests and incidents of violence and physical intimidation on campus?

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 20 Dec 2023, 14:03 last edited by
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                @LuFins-Dad said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                Okay, but would you also agree that they could have been and should have been better prepared for their testimony?

                Yes, as one wag put it, WilmerHale might have told them to say “it depends” but they didn’t tell them to smirk.

                Beyond that, do you also agree that these school administrations have not done an adequate job in addressing these protests and incidents of violence and physical intimidation on campus?

                I doubt they have, but in fairness it’s hard to say, we see videos of the incidents but there’s little reporting on any aftermath.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 01:40 last edited by
                  #73

                  Drip…drip…drip…

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 01:55 last edited by
                    #74

                    For a sense of perspective, just remember what Summers, Harvard's previous president, resignation was caused by.

                    Also remember, and contrast his scholarly publications.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Copper
                      wrote on 21 Dec 2023, 02:10 last edited by
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                      His appearance doesn't have the same scholarly qualification.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 12:51 last edited by
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                        One of Gay’s plagiarized authors speaks out…

                        The Brad

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 13:01 last edited by
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                          That’s a pleasant surprise.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            22 Dec 2023, 12:51

                            One of Gay’s plagiarized authors speaks out…

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                            Copper
                            wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 13:08 last edited by
                            #78

                            @LuFins-Dad said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                            One of Gay’s plagiarized authors speaks out…

                            Unfortunately Dr. Swain probably only represents about 98% of the country.

                            It is time to start ignoring that other 2%.

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                              xenon
                              wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 22:44 last edited by xenon
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                              Apparently Harvard said they found more "examples of duplicative language without appropriate attribution.”

                              Lucky for her they didn't find any plagiarism.

                              Harvard seems to be on a speedrun to burn down centuries of accumulated prestige.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 23:09 last edited by
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                                It's the culmination of recruiting only the best and brightest.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  xenon
                                  wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 23:18 last edited by xenon
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                                  What I imagine her resignation will look like:

                                  In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the NationHarvard. Throughout the long and difficult period of WatergateHamasgate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which you electedhired me.

                                  In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the CongressHarvard Corporation to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see the constitutionaleducational process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.

                                  But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the constitutionaleducational purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 23:26 last edited by
                                    #82

                                    POTD

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on 22 Dec 2023, 23:55 last edited by
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                                      Solid.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 23 Dec 2023, 12:27 last edited by
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                                        Swain vs Gay

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 23 Dec 2023, 13:28 last edited by
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                                          There's a documentary on YouTube about the allegations against Fryer. They are total garbage.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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