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The Curious Case of Claudine Gay

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #91

    But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

      George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #92

      @Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

      But for academe, isn't plagiarism akin to lying on a job application?

      Of course it is. But she'll claim that Harvard should have caught it, and now it's on them.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • RainmanR Offline
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        Rainman
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        #93

        She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

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        • HoraceH Online
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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #94

          The only Christmas present I want this year, is Claudine Gay in prison. So I can finally feel safe again.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
            #95

            Show us on this doll where she touched you, Horace…

            The Brad

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #96

              Lol

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • RainmanR Rainman

                She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #97

                @Rainman said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                She'll be gone when she gets her $$$ and makes it seem like she's leaving for the good of the university. Needs some more time BSing the students and faculty. Just my guess. I'm betting a quarter it's 3 months or less. A few more alumni pull the big dollars, and it's one month.

                I think it’s the opposite. When boards want a problem to go away, they’ll throw money at it. Especially with a gazillion dollar endowment.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #98

                  Tax the endowment?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • CopperC Online
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                    Copper
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                    #99

                    Make an example, lock her up.

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      Make an example, lock her up.

                      HoraceH Online
                      HoraceH Online
                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #100

                      @Copper said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                      Make an example, lock her up.

                      Finally, the voice of compassion, for those of us who don't feel safe.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #101

                        Read the thread.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          #102

                          She's published, what, 12 articles?

                          A pretty high plagiarism/publication ratio, no?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #103

                            Oh, after the examples, the comments are great.

                            Loved the Nixon one.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
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                              #104

                              From the Harvard Crimson - Dissent: For Harvard’s Sake, It’s Time to Let Gay Go

                              University President Claudine Gay should resign.

                              It has been less than half a year since Gay assumed one of the most prestigious posts in all of academia. Since then, scandal after scandal has plagued our beloved university.

                              The president of Harvard must be a formidable leader, capable of managing thousands of the brightest minds on the planet, a widely revered international brand, and a multi-billion-dollar bureaucratic behemoth. Further, by way of its field-leading eminences, Harvard exerts influence — and encounters controversy — at the highest levels of politics and policymaking, which often presents challenges for its leader and public face.

                              In other words, Harvard’s presidency is no mere empty honor; it is a deeply challenging managerial job with deeply challenging duties, not least of which is navigating national outcry.

                              In each of these respects, Gay has failed. The Harvard Corporation must find a leader who can do better.

                              More at the link.

                              From the RWEC:

                              These are two of the Crimson’s editorial board members, who are apparently in the minority about Gay’s status. The fact that anyone at Harvard is still left defending this scholastic and administrative failure is a clear sign that identity has fully trumped individual worth and achievement at this university and the other Poison Ivies. It’s not just the honor code that’s become a farce.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • HoraceH Online
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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #105

                                I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.

                                I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.

                                  I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".

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                                  George K
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                                  #106

                                  @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                  I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.

                                  I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".

                                  And here, right here, is our fist first candidate for Post Of The Year: 2024 Edition.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                    I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.

                                    I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".

                                    And here, right here, is our fist first candidate for Post Of The Year: 2024 Edition.

                                    HoraceH Online
                                    HoraceH Online
                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #107

                                    @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                    @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                    I wonder how much truth there is to Obama stepping up to support her, and I wonder how much clout he has.

                                    I would google it, but I don't really want to google "obama gay".

                                    And here, right here, is our fist first candidate for Post Of The Year: 2024 Edition.

                                    Thanks George. If I win, it’ll help me feel safe. At least until Claudine Gay is in prison.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • X xenon

                                      What I imagine her resignation will look like:

                                      In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the NationHarvard. Throughout the long and difficult period of WatergateHamasgate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which you electedhired me.

                                      In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the CongressHarvard Corporation to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see the constitutionaleducational process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.

                                      But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the constitutionaleducational purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged.

                                      MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #108

                                      @xenon said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                      What I imagine her resignation will look like:

                                      In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the NationHarvard. Throughout the long and difficult period of WatergateHamasgate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which you electedhired me.

                                      In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the CongressHarvard Corporation to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see the constitutionaleducational process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.

                                      But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the constitutionaleducational purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged.

                                      Splendid. "I am not a crook plagiarizer".

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Tax the endowment?

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                                        Axtremus
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                                        #109

                                        @Jolly said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                        Tax the endowment?

                                        Ms. Gay got @Jolly to consider a wealth tax!
                                        It’s a miracle!

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #110

                                          Actually the proposals floating around, to which I imagine Jolly is referring, are to tax their investment income at rates resembling what you and I might pay.

                                          Right now Harvard pays 1.4% on their endowment income, IIRC.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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