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Larry Was Right

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    Outside of some Toyotas, the most reliable car platform...

    Link to video

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2

      That's true. They haven't made them for a while now and they're still everywhere.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        I also agree with him on the Buick V6. I rolled a couple of those for 200k.

        I have no idea why GM walked away from that engine.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          Because you could go 200K?

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            I also agree with him on the Buick V6. I rolled a couple of those for 200k.

            I have no idea why GM walked away from that engine.

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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            @Jolly said in Larry Was Right:

            I have no idea why GM walked away from that engine.

            @Mik said in Larry Was Right:

            Because you could go 200K?

            LOL

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by Jolly
              #6

              I'll answer my own question...CAFE standards and loopholes. SUV's - even when built on a car platform - are considered trucks and held to a different standard.

              And...you're probably right. Planned obsolescence.

              GM just warrantied the turbo four-banger in Chevy trucks to 100,000 miles. They bally-hooed that engine as being built to diesel standards.

              It's still a piece of crap that wouldn't tow a pregnant whore on a pisspot.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • MikM Mik

                Because you could go 200K?

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                89th
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                @Mik said in Larry Was Right:

                Because you could go 200K?

                LOL, truth

                My dad had a LeSabre... man it was such a smooth suspension. Really great road trip car.

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                  xenon
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                  #8

                  Seems like this platform was scrapped in 2011. Definitely an icon.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    I'll answer my own question...CAFE standards and loopholes. SUV's - even when built on a car platform - are considered trucks and held to a different standard.

                    And...you're probably right. Planned obsolescence.

                    GM just warrantied the turbo four-banger in Chevy trucks to 100,000 miles. They bally-hooed that engine as being built to diesel standards.

                    It's still a piece of crap that wouldn't tow a pregnant whore on a pisspot.

                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    @Jolly said in Larry Was Right:

                    I'll answer my own question...CAFE standards and loopholes. SUV's - even when built on a car platform - are considered trucks and held to a different standard.

                    And...you're probably right. Planned obsolescence.

                    GM just warrantied the turbo four-banger in Chevy trucks to 100,000 miles. They bally-hooed that engine as being built to diesel standards.

                    It's still a piece of crap that wouldn't tow a pregnant whore on a pisspot.

                    Is the pisspot full or empty?

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      @Jolly said in Larry Was Right:

                      I'll answer my own question...CAFE standards and loopholes. SUV's - even when built on a car platform - are considered trucks and held to a different standard.

                      And...you're probably right. Planned obsolescence.

                      GM just warrantied the turbo four-banger in Chevy trucks to 100,000 miles. They bally-hooed that engine as being built to diesel standards.

                      It's still a piece of crap that wouldn't tow a pregnant whore on a pisspot.

                      Is the pisspot full or empty?

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Larry Was Right:

                      @Jolly said in Larry Was Right:

                      I'll answer my own question...CAFE standards and loopholes. SUV's - even when built on a car platform - are considered trucks and held to a different standard.

                      And...you're probably right. Planned obsolescence.

                      GM just warrantied the turbo four-banger in Chevy trucks to 100,000 miles. They bally-hooed that engine as being built to diesel standards.

                      It's still a piece of crap that wouldn't tow a pregnant whore on a pisspot.

                      Is the pisspot full or empty?

                      Ax, it doesn't matter. Either subset is true.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        xenon
                        wrote on last edited by xenon
                        #11

                        Turbos have definitely gone through growing pains - but it does seem like they're getting more reliable. About 20 years in, kinks seems like they're being worked out.

                        I'm floored at the torque, HP and fuel economy numbers put out by some cars these days. I have no opinions or experience on how good they are in heavy-duty trucks.

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                          Renauda
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                          #12

                          If it’s a diesel it should have a turbo.

                          Elbows up!

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                            xenon
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                            Learned a little more about diesels after getting curious here. Seems like diesel engines need a higher compression ratio than petrol. Turbos help push in more air than naturally aspirated. Turbos also kick in at higher RPM where diesels are weak - they have power for days at lower RPM.

                            Higher compression ratio also typically means stronger engine components are needed. Strong engine + turbo works well from a reliability standpoint.

                            So yes - that's all to say, Renauda is right.

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                              George K
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                              "Turbo lag" is a real and annoying thing. I don't remember which of my cars had an early turbo, and it took some real getting used to.

                              My current car has a 2 liter turbo - and you'd never know it.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Copper
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                                When your turbo fails, what should you do?

                                Reduce throttle to maintain engine power.

                                Reduce to maintain, don't you mean increase throttle to maintain?

                                Nope, no turbo means less air. Less air means less fuel is needed to maintain mixture.

                                Of course this depends on altitude. At a lower altitude the turbo may not be adding much air.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  "Turbo lag" is a real and annoying thing. I don't remember which of my cars had an early turbo, and it took some real getting used to.

                                  My current car has a 2 liter turbo - and you'd never know it.

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                                  xenon
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @George-K said in Larry Was Right:

                                  "Turbo lag" is a real and annoying thing. I don't remember which of my cars had an early turbo, and it took some real getting used to.

                                  My current car has a 2 liter turbo - and you'd never know it.

                                  My mom's early 2000s Acura SUV had an old school turbo. You could feel it kick in half way through the rev range. It had that distinct air pressure loss sound with every gear shift "PSSSsss".

                                  My current vehicle has one - there's not way to tell there's a turbo in there. It has a twin scroll that lets gases in at low and high rpm differently.

                                  They've come a long way.

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