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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2023/11/01/flood_the_gaza_tunnels_989879.html

    The engineering is straightforward. Egypt flooded thirty-seven cross-border tunnels in southern Gaza back in 2015 in what stands as a practical proof of concept in this location. Seawater from the Mediterranean would be pumped directly into the tunnel openings through short pipelines. While there’s little hydrological head, there is also little topographical relief to deal with in laying the pipe. Large volumes of water are pumped long distances every day, and Israeli water technology is world class.

    The shortest and most direct route to the tunnel entrances would be directly from the Mediterranean. This would require kinetic clearing of the construction sites and holding them for the duration of the operation to protect the temporary water transmission lines. The distance that would need to be cleared and held could be minimized on the northernmost and eastern tunnels by running a trunk line through adjacent Israeli territory and feeding water distribution lines to the tunnel entrances off that.

    Flooding doesn’t have to be slow. A six-by-five-foot tunnel that runs 300 miles is a huge volume to fill, but how fast it fills depends on how fast the water is pumped. Rough calculations indicate that if a single pipe were used for each of eleven tunnels, with each pipe pumping at a very conservative 100 gallons per minute, it would take about seven and a half months for all eleven tunnel networks to fill. Pumping water at ten times that rate, however, is routinely done today everywhere from wastewater treatment plants to oil field operations. Also, the tunnels wouldn’t have to be filled to capacity to generate the desired effect. The effect would begin as soon as water started to flow; by the time a tunnel has two or three feet of water it would be effectively unusable.

    Or, as I commented in another thread, CO.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      Or, as I commented in another thread, CO.

      Why not? Carbon sequestration is big on the environmental agenda at the moment. Nitrogen as well l- after all it’s inert and simply displaces Oxygen. Better yet, loads of Nitrogen Oxide. They can laugh their sorry asses off to eternity.

      But…all of that would be understood as chemical warfare. It’s all a gas like mustard gas and other airborne toxic chemical agents.

      Best to open the Dihydrogen monoxide taps.

      Elbows up!

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        Fill the tunnels with Bud Light.

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          Or, as I commented in another thread, CO.

          Why not? Carbon sequestration is big on the environmental agenda at the moment. Nitrogen as well l- after all it’s inert and simply displaces Oxygen. Better yet, loads of Nitrogen Oxide. They can laugh their sorry asses off to eternity.

          But…all of that would be understood as chemical warfare. It’s all a gas like mustard gas and other airborne toxic chemical agents.

          Best to open the Dihydrogen monoxide taps.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          @Renauda said in Flood the Gaza Tunnels:

          Nitrogen Oxide

          (pedantry Saturday)

          Nitrous Oxide - N20

          Sadly, N20 is a very weak anesthetic. You have to get supra-atmospheric concentrations to cause a measurable (lethal) effect.

          hydrogen dioxide taps.

          Dihydrogen monoxide...

          (/pedantry Saturday)

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
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            #5

            @George-K

            Yes I know. It’s been corrected.

            Was never any good at chemistry.

            Elbows up!

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Wonder what all that sea water would do over time?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Wonder what all that sea water would do over time?

                George KG Offline
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                George K
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                @Jolly said in Flood the Gaza Tunnels:

                Wonder what all that sea water would do over time?

                Good point. Might affect the overlying concrete.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
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                  The hostages may be an issue. While the bombings and clearing the tunnels manually will likely mean their demise, the flooding would be assured.

                  The Brad

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
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                    #9

                    Salt contamination. Soil sterilant. Nasty stuff hard to remediate. Turns carbon steel to peanut brittle just like H2S & CO2. Just takes longer.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Wonder what all that sea water would do over time?

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      @Jolly said in Flood the Gaza Tunnels:

                      Wonder what all that sea water would do over time?

                      Kill 240 hostages. And not much time too.

                      That’s why they won’t don’t it.

                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          Sic 'em!

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            As I watched this, I thought about @Renauda's comment - how sea water is so corrosive and damaging to everything. It'll destroy the tunnels, to be sure, but also, I assume, the buildings above the tunnels.

                            Oh, wait...there aren't any buildings above the tunnels any more.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              They don’t have to drown everyone. Just make them unusable

                              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                Probably their first bath in years.

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                                • 89th8 89th

                                  Probably their first bath in years.

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                                  George K
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                                  @89th said in Flood the Gaza Tunnels:

                                  Probably their first bath in years.

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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
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                                    #17

                                    Mass baptism.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      I will be interesting to see how that goes.

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                                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                        From those videos - imagine being the soldier on point going in the tunnel first.

                                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          From those videos - imagine being the soldier on point going in the tunnel first.

                                          George KG Offline
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                                          George K
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                                          @jon-nyc said in Flood the Gaza Tunnels:

                                          imagine being the soldier on point going in the tunnel first.

                                          (slight derail)

                                          In the early Bosch books, it's described how Harry Bosch was a "tunnel rat" in Vietnam. The trauma of that experience haunted him for years.

                                          In the TV series, it's tunnels in the first Gulf War.

                                          (back to your thread)

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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