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DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang."

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  • Catseye3C Offline
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    Catseye3
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    #1

    "From grocery stores and factories to meatpacking plants and food delivery, the pandemic is turbocharging the rise of robots and automation, Andrew Yang tells CNN Business. 'We're seeing 10 years' worth of change in 10 weeks,' [he] said.

    "Companies, worried about coronavirus health risks are accelerating their plans to use robots for some jobs long done by humans. One of the ways coronavirus is changing the face of America's workforce and the debate over how to respond, including controversial proposals Yang has long championed.

    "'It's been immensely frustrating to have some lawmakers be so out to lunch that they think if they just leave things alone, the economy will snap back to normal,' Yang said. 'It's just a ridiculous fantasy.'

    "Yang is delivering the keynote address Tuesday at the Citizen Verizon Assembly, an hour-long virtual forum on the role of business addressing social change and human prosperity. Yang applauded, for example, Verizon's efforts to combat the jobs crisis by pledging to provide skills training to 500,000 mostly lower-wage people for jobs of the future by 2030.

    "We need that kind of leadership more than ever," Yang said.

    "Yang's signature issue is universal basic income, and it has come back into focus because of the pandemic-fueled mass unemployment. Yang said the rapid shifts only increases the need for the United States to adopt UBI, a controversial plan that would give every adult $1,000 a month.

    "Yang compared universal basic income to what happens when companies pay dividends because they believe shareholders will know how to more efficiently spend the money . . . 'A family knows best how to solve their own problems,' he said.

    "Elon Musk: '"Giving each person money allows them to decide what meets their needs, rather than the blunt tool of legislation, which creates self-serving special interests."

    "'"We are all now seemingly Yang Gang,' Chris Krueger, Washington policy analyst at Cowen Washington Research Group, wrote.

    https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_62cb3e3b7dbcf1df646a354e22d52a78

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #2

      "Companies, worried about coronavirus health risks are accelerating their plans to use robots for some jobs long done by humans." No. A few? maybe, but in general, no.

      "It's been immensely frustrating to have some lawmakers be so out to lunch that they think if they just leave things alone, the economy will snap back to normal,' Yang said. 'It's just a ridiculous fantasy.'

      "Yang is delivering the keynote address Tuesday at the Citizen Verizon Assembly, an hour-long virtual forum on the role of business addressing social change and human prosperity. Yang applauded, for example, Verizon's efforts to combat the jobs crisis by pledging to provide skills training to 500,000 mostly lower-wage people for jobs of the future by 2030.

      "We need that kind of leadership more than ever," Yang said.

      "Yang's signature issue is universal basic income, and it has come back into focus because of the pandemic-fueled mass unemployment. Yang said the rapid shifts only increases the need for the United States to adopt UBI, a controversial plan that would give every adult $1,000 a month.

      "Yang compared universal basic income to what happens when companies pay dividends because they believe shareholders will know how to more efficiently spend the money . . . 'A family knows best how to solve their own problems,' he said.

      "'"We are all now seemingly Yang Gang,' Chris Krueger, Washington policy analyst at Cowen Washington Research Group, wrote.

      https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_62cb3e3b7dbcf1df646a354e22d52a78

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      "Companies, worried about coronavirus health risks are accelerating their plans to use robots for some jobs long done by humans." No. A few? maybe, but in general, no.

      "'It's been immensely frustrating to have some lawmakers be so out to lunch that they think if they just leave things alone, the economy will snap back to normal,' Yang said. 'It's just a ridiculous fantasy.' Uhmmm, unfortunately, it probably will. Mr. Yang, please stop now.

      'A family knows best how to solve their own problems,' he said." I want to believe that but... alt text

      The Brad

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      • Catseye3C Offline
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        Catseye3
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        Nothing contrived about that photo, not at all.

        What is it you want Yang to stop? He's not in a power position. Right now he's just talking.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #4

          I'd like for him to stop pretending that he has any real idea what he's talking about for one. He's a fucking lawyer and hasn't worked a single damn day in the manufacturing field that he tries to claim he represents. He's worked as a "trainer" to executives but hasn't built a single damn thing in his life.

          The Brad

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          • Catseye3C Offline
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            Catseye3
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            #5

            Wiki: " Originally a corporate lawyer, Yang began working in startups and early stage growth companies as a founder or executive from 2000 to 2009."

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #6

              Like I said...

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
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                #7

                Tell me what startups he created and what actual manufacturing he did.

                The Brad

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                • Catseye3C Offline
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                  Catseye3
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  Nah. You can look it up yourself if you're that interested.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #9

                    Oh, I already know. Nothing. Not a single damn thing. The guy's played at hypotheticals and imaginative programs, but he's never actually accomplished a single thing that I can find...

                    The Brad

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #10

                      Business models change to fit the reality of the market. Used to be a lot more farriers and coopers than there are now.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
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                        #11

                        They're going to need a lot of people to design, build and maintain those robots. It's too good a revenue stream to forego. It will be similar to the rise of the auto industry

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          Tell me what startups he created and what actual manufacturing he did.

                          AxtremusA Offline
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                          Axtremus
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                          @LuFins-Dad said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                          Tell me what startups he created and what actual manufacturing he did.

                          Just curious, @LuFins-Dad , have you done any “actual manufacturing” yourself?

                          Suppose I say, a long time ago, I operated a computer in a garment factory that lays out patterns on fabric such that another team would later cut (in bulk) the fabric by tracing the pattern laid out by the computer, and the cut pieces then got stitched together to make garments ... let’s say I only operated the pattern layout computer and never touched any other tool or machinery, does that count as having done “actual manufacturing” in your book?

                          What about, say, the corporate lawyer who takes care of legal matters for the garment factory but never touched any tool or machinery except the computers/typewriters? Does that lawyer count as having done “actual manufacturing” in your book?

                          What about a merger and acquisition specialist who has never worked a day in any factory, but has worked two dozen deals buying and selling garment factories? If such a person were to opine on what he think the future for garment factory workers is, are you going to brush him off because he has never done any “actual manufacturing”?

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            @LuFins-Dad said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                            Tell me what startups he created and what actual manufacturing he did.

                            Just curious, @LuFins-Dad , have you done any “actual manufacturing” yourself?

                            Suppose I say, a long time ago, I operated a computer in a garment factory that lays out patterns on fabric such that another team would later cut (in bulk) the fabric by tracing the pattern laid out by the computer, and the cut pieces then got stitched together to make garments ... let’s say I only operated the pattern layout computer and never touched any other tool or machinery, does that count as having done “actual manufacturing” in your book?

                            What about, say, the corporate lawyer who takes care of legal matters for the garment factory but never touched any tool or machinery except the computers/typewriters? Does that lawyer count as having done “actual manufacturing” in your book?

                            What about a merger and acquisition specialist who has never worked a day in any factory, but has worked two dozen deals buying and selling garment factories? If such a person were to opine on what he think the future for garment factory workers is, are you going to brush him off because he has never done any “actual manufacturing”?

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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            @Axtremus said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                            Just curious, @LuFins-Dad , have you done any “actual manufacturing” yourself?

                            LfD is not trying to make a name for himself by presenting himself as a manufacturing expert.

                            Please love yourself.

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                              Horace
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                              We could replace robots with cinder blocks, if only we could learn to harness the power of cinder block magic. And for that, we all just need to believe, with all of our hearts, in cinder block magic.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @Axtremus said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                                Just curious, @LuFins-Dad , have you done any “actual manufacturing” yourself?

                                LfD is not trying to make a name for himself by presenting himself as a manufacturing expert.

                                AxtremusA Offline
                                AxtremusA Offline
                                Axtremus
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #15

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                                @Axtremus said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                                Just curious, @LuFins-Dad , have you done any “actual manufacturing” yourself?

                                LfD is not trying to make a name for himself by presenting himself as a manufacturing expert.

                                Neither is Andrew Yang.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                                  Tell me what startups he created and what actual manufacturing he did.

                                  Just curious, @LuFins-Dad , have you done any “actual manufacturing” yourself?

                                  Suppose I say, a long time ago, I operated a computer in a garment factory that lays out patterns on fabric such that another team would later cut (in bulk) the fabric by tracing the pattern laid out by the computer, and the cut pieces then got stitched together to make garments ... let’s say I only operated the pattern layout computer and never touched any other tool or machinery, does that count as having done “actual manufacturing” in your book?

                                  What about, say, the corporate lawyer who takes care of legal matters for the garment factory but never touched any tool or machinery except the computers/typewriters? Does that lawyer count as having done “actual manufacturing” in your book?

                                  What about a merger and acquisition specialist who has never worked a day in any factory, but has worked two dozen deals buying and selling garment factories? If such a person were to opine on what he think the future for garment factory workers is, are you going to brush him off because he has never done any “actual manufacturing”?

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @Axtremus said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                                  Tell me what startups he created and what actual manufacturing he did.

                                  Just curious, @LuFins-Dad , have you done any “actual manufacturing” yourself?

                                  Suppose I say, a long time ago, I operated a computer in a garment factory that lays out patterns on fabric such that another team would later cut (in bulk) the fabric by tracing the pattern laid out by the computer, and the cut pieces then got stitched together to make garments ... let’s say I only operated the pattern layout computer and never touched any other tool or machinery, does that count as having done “actual manufacturing” in your book?

                                  What about, say, the corporate lawyer who takes care of legal matters for the garment factory but never touched any tool or machinery except the computers/typewriters? Does that lawyer count as having done “actual manufacturing” in your book?

                                  What about a merger and acquisition specialist who has never worked a day in any factory, but has worked two dozen deals buying and selling garment factories? If such a person were to opine on what he think the future for garment factory workers is, are you going to brush him off because he has never done any “actual manufacturing”?

                                  Want to address the man's point or just dance about and save your hands in the air?

                                  Speaking of experience, what businesses have you created or run? Know anything about creating and running a single proprietorship, a LLC, or a S-class corporation? Inquiring minds would like to know. Have you ever even been successful in more than one job field?

                                  Tell us your expertise, Ax.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • Catseye3C Offline
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                                    Catseye3
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    He didn't have to have created/run businesses to make the points in his latest post. All that requires is a bit of observation and imagination, and common sense.

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
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                                      #18

                                      It would be nice to discuss the man’s ideas instead of his qualifications. George Washington had been pretty much of a failure militarily until placed in charge of the continental army.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        It would be nice to discuss the man’s ideas instead of his qualifications. George Washington had been pretty much of a failure militarily until placed in charge of the continental army.

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                                        Catseye3
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #19

                                        @Mik said in DC Policy Analyst: "We're All Yang Gang.":

                                        It would be nice to discuss the man’s ideas instead of his qualifications.

                                        I was referring to Ax in my post just above yours and not Yang, but yeah, come to think of it, that would apply to Yang also.

                                        And yes! General Washington is about the best role model anyone could ask for.

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
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                                          #20

                                          I knew that. 😉

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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